Simple Question, are you using Denuvo? 60 fps? :: The Technomancer General Discussions

Kosh May 26, 2016 @ 9:46pm

I think it will be no Denuvo. Last games of Focus was without that.

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Kite Jun 20, 2016 @ 4:53am

This article says 30fps.

http://wccftech.com/technomancer-locked-30fps-pc-spiders-ceo-not-sure-neoscorpio-will-make-much-difference/

Last edited by Kite; Jun 20, 2016 @ 5:52am

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Veloci Jun 20, 2016 @ 5:19am

No Denuvo in The Technomancer. Additionally, the game is NOT locked to 30fps - we're getting in contact with the site behind that article. Thanks!

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Kosh Jun 20, 2016 @ 9:07am

Originally posted by Velociraptom:
No Denuvo in The Technomancer. Thanks!

You sure? Focus Home Interactive already used it in Sherlock Holmes: The Devil's Daughter. Why not use it in every new game?

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Veloci Jun 20, 2016 @ 9:23am

Originally posted by Kosh:
Originally posted by Velociraptom:
No Denuvo in The Technomancer. Thanks!

You sure? Focus Home Interactive already used it in Sherlock Holmes: The Devil's Daughter. Why not use it in every new game?

I'm from Focus Home, there's definitely no Denuvo for The Technomancer - also, we didn't publish The Devil's Daughter ;)

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Kosh Jun 20, 2016 @ 9:41am

Originally posted by Velociraptom:
Originally posted by Kosh:

You sure? Focus Home Interactive already used it in Sherlock Holmes: The Devil's Daughter. Why not use it in every new game?

I'm from Focus Home, there's definitely no Denuvo for The Technomancer - also, we didn't publish The Devil's Daughter ;)

From Focus? Even better... Why so high price for Russia? You knew that it's like 2xRise of Tomb Raider or 2xJust Cause 3 or 2xHitman or vene 2xNew Deus Ex? Higher then for example Doom or Total War: Warhammer. How do you think what people will buy - your game or Deus Ex + Rise of Tomb Raider for example?

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Kosh Jun 20, 2016 @ 9:52am

Originally posted by Velociraptom:
Originally posted by Kosh:

You sure? Focus Home Interactive already used it in Sherlock Holmes: The Devil's Daughter. Why not use it in every new game?

I'm from Focus Home, there's definitely no Denuvo for The Technomancer - also, we didn't publish The Devil's Daughter ;)

Or other example. I have 2600 rub. And it's Summer Sale soon. I have choice - to pre-order new Deus Ex + buy Rise of Tomb Raider + Just cause with -50% discount or buy The Technomancer. Why I must buy The Technomancer?

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NicZerus Jun 20, 2016 @ 3:44pm

No denuvo = instant buy , i like care my ssd and dont like denuvo .

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Kosh Jun 20, 2016 @ 9:22pm

Originally posted by NicZerus:
No denuvo = instant buy , i like care my ssd and dont like denuvo .

Denuvo dont kills ssd

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Panic Fire has The Technomancer

Jun 21, 2016 @ 5:17am

Originally posted by NicZerus:
No denuvo = instant buy , i like care my ssd and dont like denuvo .

Denuvo has never been shown to harm ssd's nor has it been shown to hamper game perforamnce in any meaningful way. It has been shown to be very effective at preventing pirating for the key release time of a game which is the first month of release. The funny part about denuvo is that if they didn't tell you it was there, you wouldn't know it was there.

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Vlad Jun 22, 2016 @ 11:18am

I'm going to buy this game too cuz i want to support devs that don't use Denuvo in their games and so far the game looks very interesting and promising.I bought some Denuvo games and none of them are good like Rise of the Tomb Raider(which is like an expansion to me,not a full game),Just Cause 3(so badly optimised),Need for Speed 2016(funny game,but with very limited tunning and no real car damage at all,even Undercover had better car damage).I wanted to buy the new Deus Ex,Dishonored 2 and Mafia III ,but after I saw the gameplays at E3,I'm not interested anymore to buy them.

Last edited by Vlad; Jun 22, 2016 @ 11:20am

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Vrajitorul din Orz Jun 22, 2016 @ 11:22am

Originally posted by Vlad:
I'm going to buy this game too cuz i want to support devs that don't use Denuvo in their games and so far the game looks very interesting and promising.I bought some Denuvo games and none of them are good like Rise of the Tomb Raider(which is like an expansion to me,not a full game),Just Cause 3(so badly optimised),Need for Speed 2016(funny game,but with very limited tunning and no real car damage at all,even Undercover had better car damage).I wanted to buy the new Deus Ex,Dishonored 2 and Mafia III ,but after I saw the gameplays at E3,I'm not interested anymore to buy them.

I approve this message! Denuvo is a major sickness to the games world.

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Hobbes

Jun 22, 2016 @ 4:30pm

Whilst Denuvo isn't shown conclusively to bork SSD's, I can state on record as someone who's researched the stuff that's behind Denuvo that it's pretty damaging to the gaming industry, even if the AAA bods think it's gods gift against piracy. There's a big downside to one company holding the "keys to the kingdom" and that's the company in question (previously the people behind SecuROM) basically being able to dictate the price.

As for what Denuvo does, the best way to think of it is something akin to an internal BattleNet authenticator for executables, it has an ongoing and non-repeating OTP (one time pad) that it self references every few seconds in memory, the CPU cost is absolutely marginal, barely a few cycles, but the moment it detects any kind of discrepancy (much like if you tried to input a bad authenticator code) the payload will kick in, usually it corrupts the EXE or flags the EXE as tampered with and prevents it from running.

Since each OTP is generated at the time that the EXE is compiled, there's literally no way short of brute forcing or obtaining the master key to reverse engineer the bugger, so far the only reliable ways to defeat Denuvo involve tricking the anti tamper into thinking it's still valid by mimicking the response that it expects to recieve (usually achieved through some fairly arcane trickery by keeping checksums and/or watermarks intact).

Denuvo is essentially commercial grade cryptography, the same kind that's now used in online banking in most European countries, and it's here to stay with most AAA games, as of yet other companies haven't created equivalents to Denuvo (likely due to patents and/or copyright) but frankly that's only a matter of time. There's a very good reason why the top cracking groups are throwing their hands up at this, this is no longer a reverse engineering issue, it's hard crypto, which means that you need to throw lots of computational power at it, I'm talking vast sums, server farms in theory.

You could potentially set up a zombie botnet to try and harvest the kind of CPU power needed, but that's unreliable at best, frankly I've been headscratching this one for a long time and my honest answer is that Denuvo signals the end of "traditional" cracking of game EXE's. There's other methods in the wild that MIGHT work, but I'm not going to put those here, since I've already skirted enough of the ToS by going into detail about Denuvo's mechanics as it is.

Hope this sheds some light guys.

Hobbes - Qualifications for those curious - MSCE/CCNA/Red Hat Enterpise Certs, I used to work as a Tier 3 network admin. So this stuff intrigued me enough to go digging.

And yes, I am going to buy this game, to show support against Denuvo, on principle.

Last edited by Hobbes; Jun 22, 2016 @ 4:30pm

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Meteorick

Jun 22, 2016 @ 5:58pm

Well, Denuvo tells us what we've always known all along. A poorly made game hurts sales more than piracy ever could, but its much harder to admit to investors than "theys stole it!". Homefront was a terrible game, which performed terribly too no thanks to Denuvo, and thus has sold terribly. Dragon Age Inquisition was a mixed bag and didn't sell as well as expected, denuvo did nothing for it. All the while The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 thrive and sell millions with no DRM whatsoever. Not saying that piracy is good and trying to protect your games is bad. But most games with denuvo DO run rather poorly compared to those that don't and are almost impossible to mod, and that tends to be a deal breaker for many people and thus will sell less, which utterly negates the purpose of denuvo.

In short...good games=good sales. Throw in some "good marketing" in there too. DRM will never be the holy grail these AAA halfwits think it is. Its just not worth it.

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Master Chief Jun 22, 2016 @ 9:00pm

Originally posted by Meteorick:
Well, Denuvo tells us what we've always known all along. A poorly made game hurts sales more than piracy ever could, but its much harder to admit to investors than "theys stole it!". Homefront was a terrible game, which performed terribly too no thanks to Denuvo, and thus has sold terribly. Dragon Age Inquisition was a mixed bag and didn't sell as well as expected, denuvo did nothing for it. All the while The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 thrive and sell millions with no DRM whatsoever. Not saying that piracy is good and trying to protect your games is bad. But most games with denuvo DO run rather poorly compared to those that don't and are almost impossible to mod, and that tends to be a deal breaker for many people and thus will sell less, which utterly negates the purpose of denuvo.

In short...good games=good sales. Throw in some "good marketing" in there too. DRM will never be the holy grail these AAA halfwits think it is. Its just not worth it.

I disagree, the long wait for a crack for denuvo games will and does make pirates buy the game. I firmly believe The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 would have sold more if they used Denuvo. All accusations that Denuvo harm your computer have been disproven. It also does not prevent modding (look at Total War Warhammer)

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