Please do NOT add PvP - keep it a pure coop title

[Pothocket]

I was glancing through the reddit AMA thread and seen a lot of promising replies from the dev regarding future content, including the possibility of other locations and even different enemy races. Apparently they have HUGE plans for the growth of this game and I'd hate to see those resources being used on a player-vs-player mode. Focus on what the game is rather than trying to turn it into something it's not.

These maps are not designed for PvP, the special rats are not balanced with PvP in mind. Even if the dev put forth the effort to adapt everything they've already done into a PvP mode that was good enough for people not to ♥♥♥♥ on in the forums... it's still only a step sideways rather than moving the game forward. And considering how this game was designed from the start as coop only, odds are any PvP mode created after the fact just simply won't be that satisfying anyways.

In short, not enough gain to justify the cost. Here's the reddit AMA for anyone who hasn't read through it yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/3po3qm/we_are_fatshark_developers_of_warhammer/

[shartfarter]

if you dont want pvp then dont play it when it comes out. simple.

[Pothocket]

Originally posted by Shadow of Chernobyl:

if you dont want pvp then dont play it when it comes out. simple.

Please read what I posted to find out why it's not that simple. Don't just respond to my topic title.

[Sean (IM/GG)]

Originally posted by Pothocket:

Originally posted by Shadow of Chernobyl:

if you dont want pvp then dont play it when it comes out. simple.

Please read what I posted to find out why it's not that simple. Don't just respond to my topic title.

Just going to repeat what Shadow said. If you dont want pvp then dont play it when it comes out. Simple.

[.GauntleT]

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[Pothocket]

Originally posted by Chinwun The Mighty Dwarf:

Originally posted by Pothocket:

Please read what I posted to find out why it's not that simple. Don't just respond to my topic title.

Just going to repeat what Shadow said. If you dont want pvp then dont play it when it comes out. Simple.

Ok, and I'll repeat what I told him.... please read what I posted to find out why it's not that simple. Don't just respond to my topic title.

[Raz]

I'd agree with not adding it 'right away', but perhaps in the future, after the maps/dlcs/other content and whatever else they have planned, it would help extend the games' lifespan quite a bit.

I'm looking forward to the future of this game, whatever the case :)

[Lenfer]

ya they better read the 2 main objective of the game COOP AND SINGLE PLAYER ,,

kept your PVP for MMORPG etc

[Pothocket]

Originally posted by Razrien:

I'd agree with not adding it 'right away', but perhaps in the future, after the maps/dls/whatever content and whatever else they have planned, it would help extend the games' lifespan quite a bit.
I'm looking forward to the future of this game, whatever the case :)

Sure, 5 years or so if the game was still going strong in order to continue its lifespan even further. I'm ok with that. I just want to see the dev fulfill their vision of the game first.

[Hjord the Skeleton]

I have to agree with OP, I'd much rather the devs actually put in the effort to add more content to the game rather than shoehorn in pvp to be more like left 4 dead

[Martok-Worf]

Originally posted by Pothocket:

Originally posted by Chinwun The Mighty Dwarf:

Just going to repeat what Shadow said. If you dont want pvp then dont play it when it comes out. Simple.

Ok, and I'll repeat what I told him.... please read what I posted to find out why it's not that simple. Don't just respond to my topic title.

The problem is your making an asumption as to how the devs would handle pvp if it was implemented..... For all we know they could implement it make it all it could be by balancing out the issues that would otherwise plauge it, from what we have seen so far of this game I'd have more faith in the devs ability to handle such a task.

I see your point, I prefer the coop aspect myself but I also see the point of ..... Don't play it I doubt the devs would let it take away from their vision of the game just to slap a crap pvp mode in for a vocal majority.

[GC13]

Originally posted by Chinwun The Mighty Dwarf:

Just going to repeat what Shadow said. If you dont want pvp then dont play it when it comes out. Simple.

People say stuff like this all the time and it's really condescending. If someone buys the game because it's co-op and they love to play co-op, learning that the devs are going to bust their humps adding player-vs-player mode is disheartening because that's time, money, and effort that could be spent adding new maps, characters, and enemies rather than adjusting the existing ones to work in pvp.

[Radical Centrist]

Please look at the spiritual ancestor of this game, Left 4 Dead, and tell me the PvP didn't add longevity to the game experience. Because if you did, it would be an outright lie.

Specials may seem overly powerful to the inexperienced player, but hard counters exist for each one. Gutter runners can be completely shrugged off with a well-timed push. Packmasters are extremely flimsy and can be taken out in seconds by anybody able to aim a ranged weapon. Globadiers will likely recieve a hefty cooldown, and are extremely vulnerable during their throwing animation/stumble easily. Ogre rats cannot hit anyone who can time dodges correctly.
The only potential problem is the Ratling Gunner, in all honesty.

Many people enjoyed Left 4 Dead's versus because it spiced up gameplay. Adding a similar mode to Vermintide draws in those players and extends longevity for those already owning the game. Worst case scenario, you don't have to play it if you don't like it, as others have said.

Surprisingly, co-op PVP is still co-op. It just amps up the challenge for the heroes.

[bjack]

I agree with OP. Stick to the core of this game. PvP in a sequel.

[Master Tang]

It could split up the community as well, making it so there's not a healthy player base for either mode of the game.

[Ryker Kohl]

That and from what I remember, L2D PvP was rather toxic, playerbase wise, from what i remember anyway