love this.

The wrench did 18 damage in TFC though.

Originally posted by theWeaselOps:

The wrench did 18 damage in TFC though.

Although we're focusing in damage ideally because the way this tf2 works.

you are aware that with the extra firing speed, this would be essentually a jag that gives you more metal, does more damage, and builds faster ON TOP OF THE EXTRA FIRING SPEED?
10% Explosives Vuln and the inability to pick up your gun isn't a very big downside for something that lets you build your ♥♥♥♥ at an absurd rate, and lets you move anything that isn't your sentry.

The stats on their own aren't particularly bad, but when you stack them together you get problems. Engies already get crits out the ass because crit rate is buffed by using melee and dealing huge amounts of damage (Sentries), but now your crits will do more damage, you'll get them more often due to the higher fire rate, you can whack out a sentry in the middle of a battlefield without having to worry because you build at a stacked 40% faster rate, and with 300 metal, you can repair it to the point where you can easily set up a level 3 anywhere you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ please with minimal time. Remember, weapons are supposed to be sidegrades to stock, not flat upgrades (barring the Third Degree and the Solemn Vow)

I want this buffed Jag in-game, er, I mean, Classic Spanner.

i was thinking more on the lines of:
hitting allies gives them a 25 damage resistance for a short period of time (since it replenished armor in tfc)
+15% firing speed
-20% less damage
+25% explosive vulneralbility
cannot move buildings

Originally posted by Captain Bacon:

i was thinking more on the lines of:
hitting allies gives them a 25 damage resistance for a short period of time (since it replenished armor in tfc)
+15% firing speed
-20% less damage
+25% explosive vulneralbility
cannot move buildings

Well, That'd be kinda dumb in a way. I could say it could give a "Perma" overheal that wouldn't go down unless shot. that's about it.

Originally posted by Captain Bacon:

i was thinking more on the lines of:
hitting allies gives them a 25 damage resistance for a short period of time (since it replenished armor in tfc)

>stand behind heavymedic
>continually hit heavy and medic
>SUDDENLY INVINCIBLE
no, this is a bad idea stop.
the only way it would work is if it raised max health by like ~20 for ~30 seconds, like the Dalokohs Bar.
however, it needs large downsides to offset this potentially overpowered mechanic; I think +10-15% damage vuln would work (as opposed to your +25% explosives vuln), so you can't just go hide behind a heavy and continually whack him without taking tons of damage yourself.
perhaps it could only do anything if you're already at full health.

Originally posted by Captain Bacon:

+15% firing speed
-20% less damage

I agree with this with the changes I proposed.

overall I think these stats would give the engie a new playstyle, where instead of being a flat-out battle engie like with the gunslinger, or doing nothing but defense with the occasional push with most of the other wrenches, he could be a more team-oriented offensive class, i.e. engie builds stuff behind some pushing teammates and is protected by them in exchange for the buffed max health. I guess.

Originally posted by Captain Bacon:

cannot move buildings

I don't know about this. I think it could use another downside with the current model, but I don't know what would be good. perhaps marked for death on pickup, like with the rescue ranger.

oh god i'm making stats now someone kill me

oh god i'm making stats now someone kill me [/quote]

Don't be such a grab-over.


Stats are odd, but You won't get the fact. We need the slower build speed, and the up in damage. The stats given are much more vanilla.

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

Don't be such a grab-over.

could you explain that figure of speech

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

Stats are odd, but You won't get the fact.

what

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

We need the slower build speed, and the up in damage.

why
EDIT: hey wait

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

+20% building speed

gg

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

The stats given are much more vanilla.

"vanilla" is "default wrench"
what are you getting at

Originally posted by grabby grabby:

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

Don't be such a grab-over.

could you explain that figure of speech

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

Stats are odd, but You won't get the fact.

what

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

We need the slower build speed, and the up in damage.

why
EDIT: hey wait

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

+20% building speed

gg

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

The stats given are much more vanilla.

"vanilla" is "default wrench"
what are you getting at

You're saying you're doing bad by making stats. 20% build speed as in You build slower. and Vanilla wrench is to mean Vanilla tfc wrench.

kthanxbai

Originally posted by grabby grabby:

could you explain that figure of speech

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

20% build speed as in You build slower.

if you mean 20% build speed total, you're completely daft.
if you mean -20% build speed, it would be that and not +20%.
+20% build speed means you build at a 120% rate, which, if you haven't noticed, is more/faster than 100%.
you need to re-learn your English or something

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

and Vanilla wrench is to mean Vanilla tfc wrench.

"vanilla" in the context of TF2 implies the TF2 wrench.
actually elaborate on what you're trying to say and maybe people won't be confused (i.e. "the TFC wrench").

Originally posted by Flora in a tomato suit:

Originally posted by grabby grabby:

could you explain that figure of speech

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

20% build speed as in You build slower.

if you mean 20% build speed total, you're completely daft.
if you mean -20% build speed, it would be that and not +20%.
+20% build speed means you build at a 120% rate, which, if you haven't noticed, is more/faster than 100%.
you need to re-learn your English or something

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

and Vanilla wrench is to mean Vanilla tfc wrench.

"vanilla" in the context of TF2 implies the TF2 wrench.
actually elaborate on what you're trying to say and maybe people won't be confused (i.e. "the TFC wrench").

Don't be an arse. I know English quite well, sir. No need to be an asshat.

And thank you for th conclusion of the difference of wrenches. Could you bash on other people's threads now?

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

Don't be an arse. I know English quite well, sir. No need to be an asshat.

you don't type like you do

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

And thank you for th conclusion of the difference of wrenches. Could you bash on other people's threads now?

nah, you're an easy target

Originally posted by Dark in a tomato suit:

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

Don't be an arse. I know English quite well, sir. No need to be an asshat.

you don't type like you do

Originally posted by Aiushtha S>Spy unusual. Offer!:

And thank you for th conclusion of the difference of wrenches. Could you bash on other people's threads now?

nah, you're an easy target :pizzaslice:

You're making me salty. Curses you and your bashing. ♥♥♥♥♥♥, I think I'm going to Pringles.