Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

Beyond Typus 11.5
Draíocht  [developer] May 17, 2017 @ 2:53pm
Localised Naming
This is the place to discuss or suggest localised names for BT provinces.

Some locations, of course, have historical names in various languages, Like Regensburg/Ratisbonne, for example, but the vast majority of localised names are/will be/have to be alternate history variants, and such alt history ideas and suggestions are, of course, very welcome.

If you object to a current localised name you've stumbled across and are suggesting a replacement, this is also very welcome, just please keep it respectful.

If suggesting a large batch of localised names, it would be most helpful if you could include the culture/country/culture group the name is for, the province ID # before the name, place the name in " " marks, and include any notes after a # Example:

#British group
2005 = "Pile o' Bones" #Note - this is actually a real name, not a joke =p

#French group
1813 = "Fort Pascoyac"

or something like that, thanks!
Last edited by Draíocht; May 17, 2017 @ 3:32pm
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Draíocht  [developer] May 17, 2017 @ 2:53pm 
Note the following areas are being worked on/planned for overhauls in the near future, and might be safest to avoid as they will likely change soon:

Europe in General


Localised naming in BT so far:
Please note the best way to determine if something is already done is probably to search the beyondtypus/common/province_names/ folder for the culture and culture's group. Though Arga's excellent organisation here makes the following list mildly up-to-date.

I also remind that ctrl-f can be used to search the following wall for a specific culture, culture_group, or tag, as it is a bit long to sift through at this point =D.

(Huge thanks to Argacyan for compiling this!!!)
Localised naming found inside BT files by 24.05.2018 (showing countries and cultures, content contribution, notes in #, sorted by contributor alphabetically)

Arga /-cyan (Native in German, proficiency in English and French):
AUG (capital province), SWI (incomplete local naming for western Europe), Aramaic (historical naming incomplete), Babylonian (historical naming), British (proficiency; random minor naming for Europe), Byelorussian (home region, 4 HRE provinces, 1 Venice), Byzantine (random naming in Europe and Morocco), Catalan (home region and southern france mostly), Czech (minor naming for germany and caribbean), Danish (Lyndanisse), Dutch (random naming globally), East Slavic (3 in Alaska, 1 Zurich, 1 Faroe), Estonian (Liivimaa and Tartu), Etrurian (historical naming), Finno-Urgic (incomplete scandinavia), Flemish (major), French (proficiency; random naming in Africa, Europe, Anatolia and south america), Frisian (home region and selected cities like Paris or Jerusalem), Germanic (Native speaker; global naming), Hebrew (Palestine), Iberian (minor random naming in south america), Icelandic (name for Basel CH), Illyrian (random naming in Europe and caribbean), Japanese (pre-ww2 admin naming for Korea and Manchuria), Jewish group (Palestine and minor random naming), Kurdish (home region and extensive naming for middle east), Latin (minor random naming), Leonese (capital province), Norman (home region and naming for London + Channel islands), Occitain (home region and random HRE naming), Old Egyptian (historical naming), Phoenician (presumably almost complete historical naming?), Polish (incomplete HRE and random naming), Portugese (Os Anjos and Sao Francisco), Roman (random naming), Romansh (central europe and random naming for americas), Romanian (4 in austria and Bichis in Hungary), Sapmi (home region), Scandinavian (random ninor naming for Europe), Schlesian (6 surrounding home region), Sorbian (incomplete HRE), South Slavic (random naming for Europe), Tatar (extensive naming for eastern Europe and potentially owned or conquered provinces), Turkish group (random european naming), Turko-semitic (random naming for Europe, west africa and caribbean), Uralic (incomplete home region), Venetian (random naming for balkans, italy and CH)

ComposMentis (Native in Russian, proficiency in English):
East Slavic (Native speaker; Kholm and Dago), Finno-Urgic (Saaremaa and Hiiumaa)

Deserk (Native in Norwegian, proficiency in Bokmål/Nynorsk, Old West Norse/Icelandic and English):
Byzantine (historical naming), Castillian (south atlantic and incomplete north africa), Danish (Gulland, Laaland and Fyen), Flemish (brasil), French (minor naming in the Levant and Cyprus), germanic (minor naming in Brasil), Iberian (minor naming in Caribbean, Egypt and Palestine), Norwegian (naming for scandinavia, Greenland and England), Portugese (naming for arabia, random naming for africa and Europe), Scandinavian (scandinavia, Greenland and incomplete Europe)

Draiocht, HR and groundwork provided (Draíocht is Native in English, Proficiency in French, German, Irish, Scottish Gaelic, Russian and Welsh):
Basque (historical, a lot of spanish named placeholders), Berber (incomplete north africa and middle east), Breton (brittany, wales, cornwall and a lot of french named placeholders), British (Draiocht native speaker; historical areas including colonies covered), Brythonic (france and britain, a lot of placeholder names in other places), Byelorussian (random minor naming in eastern europe), Byzantine (incomplete historical provinces), Castillian (historical and HRE naming), Caucasian (incomplete south caucasus), Cornish (wales, cornwall and brittany), Cree (home province), Crow (home province), Czech (incomplete eurasia and egypt), Dakota (home province), Danish (home region and random naming for middle east an eastern europe), Dutch (historical naming presumably incomplete), East Slavic (Draiocht proficiency; historical naming and incomplete naming for overhauled americas), Egyptian (home region), Flemish (same naming as dutch), French (Draiocht proficiency; historical naming, naming for overhauled areas and extensive naming for Europe), Gaelic (Draiocht proficiency; british isles, Brittany and Newfoundland, a lot of placeholder english naming for other places), Gallgaidheil (Draiocht proficiency; british isles named), Germanic (Draiocht proficiency; historical naming), Highland-Scottish (Draiocht proficiency; british isles), Hungarian (historical naming and random additional naming in surrounding areas), Hupa (home province), Iberian (overhauled areas in americas, mallorca and pitiusas named), Iranian (middle east down to Sudan with a lot of arab placeholders complete), Irish (Draiocht proficicency; british isles complete), Kiowa (home province), Ktunaxa (home province), Kurdish (Bidlis, Farqin, Sert and Erdis), Latin (incomplete north africa, atlantic and Europe), Lithuanian (historical naming), Mikmaq (home province), Polish (incomlpete Europe), Portugese (incomplete global naming), Roman (historical provinces presumably complete), Romanian (home region), Russian (Draiocht proficiency; 5 random names in Ukraine), Ruthenian (6 random names in home region), Salish (home province), Scandinavian (historical naming), Schlesian (home region), Serbian (balkans), South Slavic (balkans), Turkish group (historically ottoman areas incomplete, lots of arabic naming), Turko-semitic (naming for arab speaking world), Unified Celtic (Draiocht proficiency; using naming provided by celtic cultures in the list), Welsh (Draiocht proficiency; wales, brittany and cornwall), West Slavic (basically bohemia at 1444 covered)

Dub (Native in Swedish, proficiency in English and German):
Finno-Urgic (Estonia and incomplete scandinavia), Lithuanian (incomplete Europe), Polish (moldavia and incomplete Russia), Swedish (Native speaker; scandinavia, eastern america, newfoundland and historical european places), Turkish group (incomplete Wallachia),
#posts 43 until 46 in naming thread - Byzantine has extensive naming suggestions for historical areas, no clear enough credits in BT files as far as I've seen

Eris (Native in English, proficiency in Welsh):
-
#only welsh colonial subjects naming

Geo (-):
Dutch (Drenthe)

JP (Native in English, proficiency in Ukrainian):
Roman (complete Italy), Ruthenian (Proficiency; baltica, Poland, Scandinavia, Ruthenia and Britain)
#Post Nr.128 in the localized naming thread contains a lot of naming for different cultures either not clearly credited in files or not even implemented

Matteotironi95 (Native in Italian):
SWI (northern Italy incomplete), Latin (Europe probably complete?, northern africa, random places in sub saharan africa, middle east incomplete)

NiaziGamer (-):
Portugese (caribbean, south atlantic and Indian ocean)

Nikicaga (Native in Serbian, proficiency in English and German):
#naming not yet added

Procyon (-):
Brythonic (Camwy), Dutch (Barbatos), Jewish group (palestine)

Reddbane (Native in English):
American (Newark and Trenton), British (East and West Jersey US), Dutch (Bergen in Jersey US)
Last edited by Draíocht; Jun 1, 2018 @ 12:03pm
Draíocht  [developer] May 17, 2017 @ 2:54pm 
Reserved.
Argakyan May 18, 2017 @ 7:38am 
You forgot to mention that I also shared some Romansch, but other than that I like that this is it's own thread now.
Argakyan May 18, 2017 @ 7:58am 
@Deserk

I forgot about your list, sry. I went looking for it now and I think your suggestions are better at any rate (especailly considering accents).
Draíocht  [developer] May 18, 2017 @ 11:27am 
Originally posted by Arga:
You forgot to mention that I also shared some Romansch, but other than that I like that this is it's own thread now.

You're right, of course. I also forgot deserk's Italian work... hard to keep track of it all ;) why I needed to do a list.

I'll keep deserk's when they overlap, then. Though only about 1/2 of them are the same province IDs, so for the rest both can stay in.
deserk May 18, 2017 @ 1:37pm 
@Agra

It's all cool man. I greatly appreciate the enormous amount of German names you've contributed, that certainly makes playing as a German tag quite fun :)
Last edited by deserk; May 18, 2017 @ 1:37pm
Argakyan May 21, 2017 @ 4:51am 
New batch here including german, byzantine (roman and greek), phoenician, polish, czech, swiss and 1 new romansch name.

With polish and czech it may well just be gibberish, but I tried.

As before it's the case that I don't really prefer one suggestion over another, for the ID. It's just that I adapted the template here.

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#german group

#france

203 = "Leyden" #note (think this was in a previous list, but unlocalized)

#italy

3044 = "Salutz"
3045 = "Augschtal"

#Alaska

977 = "Yackut"
978 = "Ankerplatz" #Or "Änkern"
1810 = "Inkalitenland" #Or "Deghitanenland", "Sebastian" (as an AH counterpart to a place called "Nikolai" there)
2612 = "Eyakland"
4924 = "Kahltag" #Or "Sankt Michael"
4925 = "Nomen"
4928 = "Koyuck"
4968 = "Norwick" #Or "Kotzebuesund" (the name sounds like it contains "puke", in german, but it's literally the name of the city)
4969 = "Hoffnungspunkt" #Or "Karrenhafen"
4970 = "Hünen"
4971 = "Alpin"
4981 = "Tagischland" #Or "Teslin"

#south america

792 = "Engländerküste" #Or "Kahlder"
2821 = "Pirhauen"
2822 = "Lammbei"
2826 = "Sent"
2830 = "Amarakei"
2845 = "Janniktal"
2847 = "Sankt Ludwig"
2862 = "Kimbau"
2872 = "Mallargü"
2877 = "Zentral" #Or "Kapitol", "Zentralland"
2908 = "Ledertal"
2911 = "Wieg" #Or "Linien"
2914 = "Hochbell" #Or "Inhamp"
2918 = "Grosslager"

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#byzantine (with focus on roman naming now because byzantines, should work for "greek" too for now unless a greek option is given, also has some AH)

#Morocco

334 = "Tingis"
335 = "Melília"
342 = "Sala"
343 = "Fas"
348 = "Rusibus"
366 = "Fortunatae Isulae" #Or "Canis" (closer to canaria)
368 = "Erythia"
2467 = "Volubilis"
2469 = "Anfus"
2470 = "Migdol"
2519 = "Lixus" #Or "Lixos" (greek)

#iberia

222 = "Baria"
223 = "Illiberis"
224 = "Hispalis"
226 = "Mons Calpe" #Note (not sure)
227 = "Julia" #Or "Olissipo" (older and more known name)
229 = "Pax Julia"
230 = "Ossonuba"
231 = "Cale" #Or "Kalos" (greek colony name)
1749 = "Gaditana" #Or "Gades" (older naming)
1851 = "Conimbricae" #Or "Aeminium" (roman colony)
3097 = "Baetica" #Or "Malaca"

#Westafrica

1096 = "Gorgades" #note (not conclusive)
1113 = "Hesperu Ceras"

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#Phoenician (saw some plausible names while looking for greek / roman, also includes new AH names)

#morocco

348 = "Rusibis" #Note (just like with most punic names rather shakey 'evidence', though plausible)
2467 = "Oualili"
5211 = "Thadla"
5218 = "Ash-Dir"

#Iberia

222 = "abdera"
223 = "Illibera"
227 = "Alis-Ubbo"
230 = "Ossonuba"

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adjustment

3098 = "Tarshish"
224 = "Spal"

saw that Tarshish can work for 3098 too while 224 can be Spal (at least according to wiki)
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Colonial nation names

eastern us = "Sidon-Hadasht" #Note (Hadasht means new, here "New Sidon" comparable to "New London" if London was a city state)

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#poland

#Baltics and germany

25 = "Gotlandia"
40 = "Niemen"
47 = "Strzalów"
50 = "Bagno"
53 = "Lynagród"
59 = "Wietnagora"
1981 = "Zródlokepca" #Or "Brnholmia"
1982 = "Blikinja"
2964 = "Starykraj"
2993 = "Ukranikraj"
2994 = "Pomorze Przednie" #Note (actually "Vorpommern")
3231 = "Dagolna
3293 = "Wyzszy Lotwa"

#Russia

3276 = "Swiety Sergiusz"

#Americas

965 = "Nowy Gdansk"
5013 = "Swiety Jan"

#Westafrica

1119 = "Wybrzeze Pieprzowe"

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#czech

#germany

53 = "Glein" #Note (polabian, not czech)
166 = "Svycarsko" #Note (means "switzerland", should still be better than Waldstätte)
2955 = "Ingamest"
2993 = "Ukrani Marka"
3048 = "Jizni-Tyrolsko"
3051 = "Hraduzemi"
3052 = "Pita"
3211 = "Kohrad" #Or "Koburga"
3213 = "Vymar"
3215 = "Gottine"

#newfoundland

5013 = "Svatý Jan"

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#Switzerland (Not swissgerman. As switzerland as a nation tends to be more open to local naming on an administrative level afaik, it might be good to prefer local naming over german)

#France

102 = "Nissa"
200 = "Montpelhièr"
201 = "Marselha"
202 = "Avinhon"
205 = "Savouè"
2753 = "Narbona"
3089 = "Valença"

#Italy

3044 = "Salusse"
3045 = "Aoûta" #Or "Augschtal"

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#Romansch

#Newfoundland

5013 = "Sogn Ioan"

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Edit: I think I found 2 spelling errors with the byzantine 227
Last edited by Argakyan; Jun 3, 2017 @ 11:18am
Draíocht  [developer] May 21, 2017 @ 12:21pm 
@Arga

Just wonderful, thanks!

Kotzebuesund may sound a tad like puke, but the fellow after whom the city/sound is named was (Baltic) German link[de.wikipedia.org], so sometimes these things just happen... Imagine the poor fellow's school years ;)

The rest look excellent. I can't say for sure about the West Slavic ones, either, but there are as good as I could have done, and I'd also tend to agree about Swiss naming tendancies.
reddbane May 23, 2017 @ 6:59am 
As a life long Resident of the old Dutch colony in New Jersey, as well as a trained historian, I would just like to add that the Raritan province should be more properly called Bergen when owned by the Dutch culture (Bergen being the name of the whole province, with Pavonia being a single, if central, settlement of that province). Under the British, Raritan should be called East Jersey, while Unami called West Jersey.
Argakyan May 23, 2017 @ 7:37am 
(If what reddbane wrote is true, then the german name for Raritan could be adjusted to "Bergen" as well, if you want to)
reddbane May 23, 2017 @ 7:49am 
Bergen was just the name the Dutch called their colony in the region (just as the English would later rename it Jersey), not the Dutch translation of Raritan. I don't know if calling the German version Bergen would make much sense, as it would be similar to having German New York be called New Amsterdam, simply because it was what another germanic people called it. What I'm getting at is, in this case, its less a matter of translation and of simple historical fact.
Draíocht  [developer] May 23, 2017 @ 7:59am 
@reddbane

Cheers. I haven't gotten to overhauling the Eastern coast of the US (mostly because it is immensely better in vanilla than the rest of the New World), so I can't use Pavonia just yet, but that is helpful for future reference and in the short term localised naming for Dutch.

@Arga & @reddbane
German is closer to Dutch than it is to English, on a theoretical level, anyhow. I'll trust Arga's judgement here, though. Generally native speakers first when dealing with localised naming, if they are available.

reddbane May 23, 2017 @ 8:01am 
#Dutch
2639 "Bergen" (with Pavonia possibly set as the sub-name to denote the central settlement)

#British
2639 "East Jersey"
962 "West Jersey"
Argakyan May 23, 2017 @ 8:03am 
@reddbane

I know that, but what I wanted to adress is that knowing this opens up and gives context to a new way of naming the province in an AH scenario (germany colonizing it). If the Dutch called it "Bergen", then it certainly is a possibility there (I'd argue it's more likely than other names without any context to back them up).
Draíocht  [developer] May 23, 2017 @ 8:11am 
@reddbane
Most appreciated =D

@Arga
Indeed, that is what I meant. With the addendum that native speakers get veto power, should the result sound odd to them.

Generally, the localised naming work I have done has very much been along these lines. I'm simply not creative enough to think up any names without such a context ;p.

edit - fixed typo
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