ARK: Survival Evolved

ARK: Survival Evolved

Annunaki Genesis (v3.21.0)
Spook Aug 15, 2016 @ 7:52pm
Tactics, Equipment, and Creatures for Fighting the Wardens.
Hello everyone, i recently came across the discussion for finding each warden, but i havent seen nearly any information regarding the tactics required for fighting each warden (asside from the what i beleive is an outdated warden readme). i have been playing ARK with annunaki genesis for a while, so ive deciding to give back to the community a little bit for once. This post draws on experiences with fighting the wardens from a rather unmodded game (no other dinos mods other than AG, and no changes in levelling for creatures as far as i know (the server i had played on gave no information about changes to INI settings, so im assuming there were none)) and also drawing on some experience from my heavily modded/changed single player saves. These tactics are what i find work best, hopefully my facts are accurate and this is helpful to people. But first ill go over what i find best in preparation for the warden battles:

Dodorexies: Great for both tank and damage roles, firebreath attack increases susceptibility to damage. I suggest only levelling health and melee, nothing else.

Wyverns: Good for damage infliction, their firebreath increases the susceptibility to damage of the target. I reccomend leveling stamina, health, and melee.

Megapithecus: Similar to dodorexy, except no attack that increases suscptibility to damage.

Broodmother: I've never used a broodmother for a warden fight, so i don't have enough experience to say what works well. I would like some feedback on what other people with farily unmodded games would reccomend.

Drakes (yes, they're good for warden fights surprisingly): Great for increasing the susceptibility to damage. The debuff of the fire and ice drake stacks along with the wyvern and dodorexy, so if you have all four breathing fire the wardens will take massive amounts of damage.

Equipment: all creatures should have saddles, since the armor rating really helps. Always bring health boosters, bring stamina boosters for wyverns (or, optionally, for any creature), and oxygen boosters when nescesary.

Now to the wardens (in alphabetical order):

Bokito: Has a health drain super attack that effects basically every creature around him, and a rock throw attack that, while it can be easily avoided, does massive amounts of damage. ! would reccomend a few options, ill start with the easiest: A wyvern, a fire drake, and an ice drake; riding the wyvern, and whistling unmounted drakes to attack (i will call this the wyvern+drake combo from here on). The drakes add a debuff when they use their firebreath attack which increases the victims susceptibility to damage temporarily. The ice and fire debuffs stack, and if bokito is both on fire and slowed by the drakes, then he can be killed by the wyvern fairly quickly. Another option is simply going into the battle with multiple players on dodorexys, megas, and wyverns. if your soloing, other than the wyvern+drake combo, you can use a dodorexy with slightly levelled stamina, and atleast 3M health, then run in circles around him while attacking. This avoids the rock attack, and allows you just barely enough time to use a health booster.

Gnashor: Has very high damage resistance/health, so you must be able to outlast him, making ground dinos less usefull for the fight. The Wyvern+drake combo works well, although a wyvern alone will do. Unless you have multiple players (to distract the wraden while you run and use a health booster), i would avoid using dodorexys, as they can be killed very quickly with the wardens super attack, even if you have health boosters (because of their cooldown).

Karkinos: currently broken, cannot attack in water, and since i have not fought him outside of water since they made changes to wardens, i cannot reccomend any tactics. A wyvern alone works very well for the moment, however there is a good possiblilty that will change.

Mormaw: This is by far the hardest to kill. This battle is truly one to be afraid of, the only way i have ever tried to kill mormaw is with multiple players on wyverns, simply because they are fast swimmers (good for bailing out of the fight). Mormaw is so large that if your group spaced out correctly, only one person at a time will take the full force of the attack, which is the health drain "super attack". If you have atleast 2 people (more is reccmomended) then you can run and use a health booster while the other(s) stays to tank, and you can switch off fighting. His super attack also does a large oxygen drain (not sure the percentage, but i beleive its above 80%), so you absoultely need to have oxygen boosters.

Nilloc: This is another fairly simple, but not quite so easy fight. I would reccomend using the wyvern+drake combo again, and it should be over quite quickly. If you only use a wyvern, be prepared to run away to use health boosters, since nilloc's super attack drains quite a lot of health, and is hard to avoid when soloing with no drakes. Do not use land based creatures for this fight.

Perdition: The main difficulty with perdition is the massive amounts of damage he is capable of: if it charges you, its been known to 1-shot ubers (though i have not experienced this). The tactic for this fight is simple: deal as much damage as possible, kill it before it kills you. For this, i would reccomend 2 or more people on dodorexys. You will only be able to use a health booster once before having to bail, since the amount of damage he does is so high that you will not have time for another, and running away is not an option, since if he charges you, you're done for! I would not reccomend wyverns or drakes, since the range you have to stay in between either you not being able to hit him, and he being able to hit you, is small. Its a delicate, iritating, and dangerous balence to get in, but possible, and the only option for soloing (stamina boosters are nescesary for soloing, you do not want to run out of stamina when above, or flying away from, and aggroed perdition).

Rawaiim: The main difficulty is the torpor super attack, although (like all other wardens) the damage is a problem too. I would reccomend atleast 2 players, either both on dodorexys, or one on a wyvern and the other on a dodorexy. Drakes are not reccomended because his attack radius is masive, and they will be killed. Bring detox elixers to remove all torpor from your creature, and stam boosters for the wyvern(s).

Smough: Smough does a large health drain super attack, like nilloc, so i do not reccomend that you use ground creatures to fight him, even though it is possible (since smough is relatively slow, a dodorexy can run away to use a health booster, or jsut be killed relatively quickly by a group of high-damage dodorexys).

Tip for soloing: If you know your creature cannot survive, dismount it. You will die, however the fight will be over since creatures that are neutral automatically revert back to neutral when out of render range, meaning the creature you were on and the warden will not be attacking eachother when you get back to get your dino. I would not reccomend using dodorexys and megas for soloing the wardens because they cannot get away as easily to use health boosters and such.

I hope this helps people, is informative, and is accurate. If anyone has anything to add, change, or discuss, please dont hold baack, but be respectfull, and civil about it. I will edit this if there are things i missed that others can add. I am very curius about what people think of the uber stats i reccomended, if everybody thinks they are possible to achieve.

Please note: i will try to keep this up to date, however wardens are subject to constant chang, and at some point a part of this "guide" may become innacruate without my knowledge, or what i said may be innacurate, so please keep that in mind.
Last edited by Spook; Aug 23, 2016 @ 2:28pm
< >
Showing 1-15 of 25 comments
Zaphod4th Aug 16, 2016 @ 6:37am 
Thank you so much for this guide.

I'm about to kill/tame Wyverns/Dodorexys. I'm using gigas to kill them and Drakes to tame. Have you tried to kill Wardens with gigas ? I'm going to use your guide soon.

Also, do you need to be level 100 to tame Wyverns ?
Last edited by Zaphod4th; Aug 16, 2016 @ 6:40am
Spook Aug 16, 2016 @ 12:52pm 
Originally posted by Zaphod4th:
Thank you so much for this guide.

I'm about to kill/tame Wyverns/Dodorexys. I'm using gigas to kill them and Drakes to tame. Have you tried to kill Wardens with gigas ? I'm going to use your guide soon.

Also, do you need to be level 100 to tame Wyverns ?

No problem! In the distant past i could kill every warden with gigas, but i have not tried it recently. It could work, but i would not reccomend it, since the changes made to wardens and ubers have made them much stronger. Killing ubers with gigas is definitely the best option, and theyre good for getting drakes too (theyre so large that they can just bite drakes/wyverns while they are flying above). Im not certain, but i believe you have to be level 100 to make the boss tributes to tame wyverns.
Spook Aug 16, 2016 @ 1:30pm 
edit: removed stat specifications for ubers, since after some testing ive discovered that mine are impossible with standard annunaki genesis installs, where no INI changes have been made, and no additional mods are used. Editing some things to make it more realistic.
Last edited by Spook; Aug 16, 2016 @ 1:51pm
Zaphod4th Aug 23, 2016 @ 5:50am 
Confirmed, gigas should not be use to kill Wardens. Lost 6 all maxed out on melee VS Gnashor, also lost 3 dodorexys all maxed on melee.
Mythily Aug 23, 2016 @ 10:56am 
I was able to do every warden alone without any losses. The only things you actually need is a breeded wyvern with around 1 million hp, 10k stamina, 5000% dmg and 125% speed (to be faster than nilloc). Also the imprinting should be 100%. Then You'll need health boosters, I needed around 30 in total for all the wardens. You'll also need a few stamina boosters.
One really important thing: Don't let them hit you. Their debuff is really dangerous when you're doing this alone.
Rawaiim was the hardest to beat for me.
Finding the Wardens was the challenge for me, not killing them. (The Center)

Recent rework(s) to the wardens made them really easy to beat alone. Their ability to spawn minions, drain stamina and slow AoE are gone. Their health and damage have been drastically reduced.

In my opinion, this guide is pretty useless now. It could have an use before the rework though.
Last edited by Mythily; Aug 23, 2016 @ 12:54pm
Spook Aug 23, 2016 @ 2:31pm 
Originally posted by Mythixdino:
I was able to do every warden alone without any losses. The only things you actually need is a breeded wyvern with around 1 million hp, 10k stamina, 5000% dmg and 125% speed (to be faster than nilloc). Also the imprinting should be 100%. Then You'll need health boosters, I needed around 30 in total for all the wardens. You'll also need a few stamina boosters.
One really important thing: Don't let them hit you. Their debuff is really dangerous when you're doing this alone.
Rawaiim was the hardest to beat for me.
Finding the Wardens was the challenge for me, not killing them. (The Center)

Recent rework(s) to the wardens made them really easy to beat alone. Their ability to spawn minions, drain stamina and slow AoE are gone. Their health and damage have been drastically reduced.

In my opinion, this guide is pretty useless now. It could have an use before the rework though.

so how did you fight mormaw with 1M health? becuase unless you got him to the surface and just used the firebreath attack (which would be difficult, since i imagine it would wander off quite a bit) then that seems very much so impossible. i had to bail from the fight with him when i had 4.5M health, so (even though most of the damage is done by the super attack) i would imagine that it would be practicaly impossible with 1M health.
Mythily Aug 23, 2016 @ 9:07pm 
Originally posted by gunnerySgt. Hartman:
Originally posted by Mythixdino:
I was able to do every warden alone without any losses. The only things you actually need is a breeded wyvern with around 1 million hp, 10k stamina, 5000% dmg and 125% speed (to be faster than nilloc). Also the imprinting should be 100%. Then You'll need health boosters, I needed around 30 in total for all the wardens. You'll also need a few stamina boosters.
One really important thing: Don't let them hit you. Their debuff is really dangerous when you're doing this alone.
Rawaiim was the hardest to beat for me.
Finding the Wardens was the challenge for me, not killing them. (The Center)

Recent rework(s) to the wardens made them really easy to beat alone. Their ability to spawn minions, drain stamina and slow AoE are gone. Their health and damage have been drastically reduced.

In my opinion, this guide is pretty useless now. It could have an use before the rework though.

so how did you fight mormaw with 1M health? becuase unless you got him to the surface and just used the firebreath attack (which would be difficult, since i imagine it would wander off quite a bit) then that seems very much so impossible. i had to bail from the fight with him when i had 4.5M health, so (even though most of the damage is done by the super attack) i would imagine that it would be practicaly impossible with 1M health.

That's how I've defeated Mormaw. I lured him somewhere at the surface so he got stuck and I could just attack him without any issues. You only need to find a suitable spot for this (- On the Center there are many spots where he can get stuck, on The Island there's one I know, Herbivore Island.
Also health doesn't really matter because it's powerful attack gives a debuff which does damage over time in % of your total Hp. You'll always need health boosters and stamina boosters for this one.
Actually all the Wardens have this kind of attack. But the debuff varies:
Gnashor - 15%
Karkinos - 20%
Smough - 15%
Rawaiim - 1% (This is his normal attack) - 40% Instant Torpor
Nilloc - 25%
Bokito - 20%
Perdition - Didn't test, will try this soon
Mormaw - 30%
Last edited by Mythily; Aug 23, 2016 @ 9:27pm
Spook Aug 23, 2016 @ 11:31pm 
Originally posted by Mythixdino:
Originally posted by gunnerySgt. Hartman:

so how did you fight mormaw with 1M health? becuase unless you got him to the surface and just used the firebreath attack (which would be difficult, since i imagine it would wander off quite a bit) then that seems very much so impossible. i had to bail from the fight with him when i had 4.5M health, so (even though most of the damage is done by the super attack) i would imagine that it would be practicaly impossible with 1M health.

That's how I've defeated Mormaw. I lured him somewhere at the surface so he got stuck and I could just attack him without any issues. You only need to find a suitable spot for this (- On the Center there are many spots where he can get stuck, on The Island there's one I know, Herbivore Island.
Also health doesn't really matter because it's powerful attack gives a debuff which does damage over time in % of your total Hp. You'll always need health boosters and stamina boosters for this one.
Actually all the Wardens have this kind of attack. But the debuff varies:
Gnashor - 15%
Karkinos - 20%
Smough - 15%
Rawaiim - 1% (This is his normal attack) - 40% Instant Torpor
Nilloc - 25%
Bokito - 20%
Perdition - Didn't test, will try this soon
Mormaw - 30%

Whats the source for those values? im afraid i have to disagree with some of them, as from my experience bokito does far less health drain than gnashor, and nilloc does atleast 30-40%. I beleive that 1M is too little, simply because the regular attacks are so powerfull (even though the super attacks do far more damage, you still need a high amount of health to survive the regular ones). I will try to do more testing tommorow as well, and see what i come up with.
Mythily Aug 24, 2016 @ 12:50am 
My only reason to have more health would be because the damage you get back when you attack them, and not when they attack you - but I use health boosters for this. As I mentioned before, I don't let them hit me once.
I think Nilloc does more, these values are from the annunaki devs I think, but I don't really know if it's accurate. Found them on a google spreadsheet.
Last edited by Mythily; Aug 24, 2016 @ 12:52am
melita Aug 24, 2016 @ 4:54am 
I am a single player, I started off with 3 dodorexy first warden I fought was gnasher. Nearly lost my dodorexy's so I decided to breed them and got 2 more dodorexy's. I have killed perdition(2x), gnasher(3x) niloc and karkinos all with in seconds. My problems is finding wardens on the center to test the rest out. My dodorex all have 2 to 3 mill health and damadge 750k-1mill. Dodorexy's follow great I have had no luck with wyverns and wardens(solo that is).
Mythily Aug 24, 2016 @ 5:17am 
Originally posted by melita:
I am a single player, I started off with 3 dodorexy first warden I fought was gnasher. Nearly lost my dodorexy's so I decided to breed them and got 2 more dodorexy's. I have killed perdition(2x), gnasher(3x) niloc and karkinos all with in seconds. My problems is finding wardens on the center to test the rest out. My dodorex all have 2 to 3 mill health and damadge 750k-1mill. Dodorexy's follow great I have had no luck with wyverns and wardens(solo that is).
Damage 750k-1mill?? Did you change your stat settings? This isn't possible with normal settings. Then it would 10-hit a warden. Even my primordius can't get that much.
Last edited by Mythily; Aug 24, 2016 @ 5:19am
melita Aug 24, 2016 @ 5:26am 
My highes dodrexy's baby is 986, I also got 100% baby imprint(not hard to do it only takes 1 and it gives you 100%). I have not changed any settings.
Mythily Aug 24, 2016 @ 6:40am 
Uhm what is your dmg stat on the dodorexy?
Night Aug 24, 2016 @ 7:46am 
Originally posted by melita:
My highes dodrexy's baby is 986, I also got 100% baby imprint(not hard to do it only takes 1 and it gives you 100%). I have not changed any settings.

Maybe the imprinting modifier has been edited. Are you sure no modifiers have been altered?
Hmm, guess I can give it a quick testing.
Last edited by Night; Aug 24, 2016 @ 7:49am
Mythily Aug 24, 2016 @ 7:58am 
How can a dodorexy do 3 times the damage of Primordius... something isn't right.
For me dodorexys go up to around 80k dmg.
Last edited by Mythily; Aug 24, 2016 @ 7:59am
< >
Showing 1-15 of 25 comments
Per page: 1530 50