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Elchman69 Oct 4, 2018 @ 1:56am
Inconsistencies
Like always first I have to say GREAT MOD, really the best one out there
Being a little much into historic values I found that the Pz IV F2 and Pz IV G are pretty much the same it was just renamed and the muzzle was changed, which can be seen in your mod
The 1943 Pz IV G had instead of the 1942 version 80mm front armor instead of 50, which can also be seen in your mod, which is great
Now the inconsistencies that i found are the 1943 version to have skirts which improves the turret rear and side armor to 38mm instead of 30
Also the 1943 Pz IV G had the Kwk40 L48 like the later Pz IV H
In the mod the Pz IV G has the KwK40 L43 in both 1942 and 1943
Next the Pz IV G has only 4 crew instead of historically 5
Same with the Tiger H and all of the Pz III
Keep up your great work
Really love your mod
I hope you find this more helpfull than annoying
I just want to help :)
Last edited by Elchman69; Oct 4, 2018 @ 1:58am
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Elchman69 Oct 4, 2018 @ 2:04am 
The small unit card of the Pz III J1 shows skirts
While on the big description panel it has none same as ingame and thats also historically true
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Normand  [developer] Oct 4, 2018 @ 2:10am 
Could you make own mod with such changes. ))


Originally posted by Elchman69:
Being a little much into historic values I found that the Pz IV F2 and Pz IV G are pretty much the same it was just renamed and the muzzle was changed, which can be seen in your mod

Did you check gun brake for both units???
Last edited by Normand; Oct 4, 2018 @ 2:19am
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Elchman69 Oct 4, 2018 @ 2:23am 
If you are willing to teach me and show me where to make all these changes to the armour values maybe I can, but right now I sadly cant because I dont know how to change all these, also adding skirts to a vehicles turret is something I dont know how to do
Like I said I dont want to be annoying I simply love your mod and just want to help improving
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1529958973
The tank in the back is the F2 the tank in the front is the G (1942 version)
But thats good :) the only differnce was the muzzle, the 1942 G and the F2 where the same vehicle, it was just renamed and the muzzle was changed and thats already in the game/mod
Thats fine :)
Last edited by Elchman69; Oct 4, 2018 @ 2:35am
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Elchman69 Oct 4, 2018 @ 2:42am 
Now this is the Pz IV G 1942
Having the same armor values as the F2 and the same gun just with the different muzzle (thats good, I dont want to be confusing)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1529966121

And this it he Pz IV G 1943
With improved armor in the hull front (again, thats good)
But the same weapon as the 1942 version instead of the L48 and the missing turret skirts to improve armor to 38mm
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1529966165
Last edited by Elchman69; Oct 4, 2018 @ 2:46am
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Elchman69 Oct 5, 2018 @ 1:53am 
@Normand,
so do you consider teaching me how to add skirts to a tank?
Telling me which values in which .pak file or the gem editor i have to change to make this?
The only mod I would like to play is your mod, so making a mod on my own that includes everything from your mod would be stealing your ideas, this is your mod.
When you say "yes this can be changed but please make the changes yourself and send me the files to implement it in valour", I would do it if I could, but I can't, because I don't know what to do.
There are so many values like thickness for example and like you said in an earlier thread "front armor isn't just one value", I suppose the same goes for rear and side armor for the turret.
Or changing the gun from a tank.
You know these things, help me learn.....
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Normand  [developer] Oct 5, 2018 @ 2:33am 
Read here[en.wikipedia.org]

"During its production run from March 1942 to June 1943, the Panzer IV Ausf. G went through further modifications..."
" ... In April 1943, the KwK 40 L/43 was replaced by the longer 75-millimetre (2.95 in) KwK 40 L/48 gun, with a redesigned multi-baffle muzzle brake with improved recoil efficiency."
That were part of April'1943, May'1943 and June'1943.
700 Panzer IV Ausf. G tanks that have been produced in 1943 had 80mm armor (current version of the tank that can be seen in the mod)
412 Panzer IV Ausf. G tanks that have been produced in 1943 had KwK 40 L/48.

KwK 40 L/48 is longer. You should recreate 3d model of Panzer IV Ausf. G in that case!

Same for this:
Originally posted by Elchman69:
... and the missing turret skirts to improve armor to 38mm

Do you like additional work? I don't.
Last edited by Normand; Oct 5, 2018 @ 2:48am
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Normand  [developer] Oct 5, 2018 @ 2:42am 
Originally posted by Elchman69:
Like always first I have to say GREAT MOD, really the best one out there
...Next the Pz IV G has only 4 crew instead of historically 5
Same with the Tiger H and all of the Pz III
Tell me what 5th crew member will be do? Tank crew has 4 members in the game.
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Elchman69 Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:34am 
That were part of April'1943, May'1943 and June'1943.
700 Panzer IV Ausf. G tanks that have been produced in 1943 had 80mm armor (current version of the tank that can be seen in the mod)
412 Panzer IV Ausf. G tanks that have been produced in 1943 had KwK 40 L/48.

KwK 40 L/48 is longer. You should recreate 3d model of Panzer IV Ausf. G in that case!

I thought maybe you can take the gun from the Pz IV H because thats the L48 and put it on the Pz IV G with the 80mm front armor that is present in your mod. No adding of skirts.

Tell me what 5th crew member will be do? Tank crew has 4 members in the game.
The Pz IV F2 and the IV H and the Tiger E have 5 crew members ingame/mod just the Pz IV G misses one
And the 5 crew members consist of driver, gunner, loader, commander and radio operator
Last edited by Elchman69; Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:34am
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Elchman69 Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:41am 
So after looking into it ingame
The fifth man is the MG man on the top of the turret
He is missing in the Pz IV G early and late version
On the Tiger H as well
And the unit card of the F2 says 5 crew members but it only spawns with 4, so the MG man on top is missing there as well
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Normand  [developer] Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:42am 
Pz IV H and Pz IV G have same position of the gun in 3d model but skins/textures for tanks are different.
Last edited by Normand; Oct 5, 2018 @ 4:43am
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Normand  [developer] Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:43am 
Originally posted by Elchman69:
So after looking into it ingame
The fifth man is the MG man on the top of the turret
He is missing in the Pz IV G early and late version
On the Tiger H as well
And the unit card of the F2 says 5 crew members but it only spawns with 4, so the MG man on top is missing there as well
Really? I did not know that AA mgun was used in 1942.
Last edited by Normand; Oct 5, 2018 @ 3:45am
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Elchman69 Oct 5, 2018 @ 4:59am 
Ok, sorry I didn't want to do any more work for you, fine?
Let the Pz IV G as it is, I only thought it would be possible to take the gun model of the H which is a l48 and put it on the model of the 80mm front armor version of the G
If this is not possible, I apologize.

Originally posted by Normand:
Really? I did not know that AA mgun was used in 1942.

I'm sorry, what do you mean?
The turret mounted MG?
If the turret mounted MG is not used after 1942 why has the Tiger a 5th man when spawning
Please don't be rude, my one and only idea is to help, if you don't need any, let me know and I stop writing you any ideas and missing stuff

You see I think this is the best mod for AS 2
I only play this one and you are already doing a great job
You put a lot of work into this and I appreciate it
I don't want to make you any more work
Let the mod like it is
Sorry alright?
Last edited by Elchman69; Oct 5, 2018 @ 5:01am
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Normand  [developer] Oct 5, 2018 @ 5:51am 
Difference in skin/texture for Pz IV H gun on Pz IV G
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1530815591
Last edited by Normand; Oct 5, 2018 @ 5:52am
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Normand  [developer] Oct 5, 2018 @ 6:56am 
Thanks for the help and ideas.
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Elchman69 Oct 5, 2018 @ 8:06am 
I think I understand, you are telling me that the barrel with the different texture cannot go on the tank with the other texture, right?
But now another question
If the tank on the left in your screenshot is a Pz IV H, why does it have no side skirts like ingame?
And the tank highlited in yellow is a Pz IV G but it has skirts around his turret, but on my screenshots it doesnt?

EDIT : Looking in the Editor, the Pz IV G of Italy, Romania und Bulgaria have the skirts on the turret and the pz4g and the pz4g_43 doesn't
The Pz IV H of Germany has side skirts and turret skirts, the one from Hungary only has the skirts on the turret
Last edited by Elchman69; Oct 5, 2018 @ 8:45am
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