Arma 3
A3 - Antistasi Altis
geozero Jun 25, 2016 @ 4:32pm
Persistent Save and Resuming Mission Not Working For Me
I’ve read the manual a few times. There are still questions on proper way of saving progress, i.e., “persistent save” and continuing a scenario. Perhaps it would be clearer with a step by step example with screenshots in the manual (if you need help on that let me know).
Here’s what I am doing for a NEW scenario:



1) I start the Antistasi Scenario. In my case since I have played before and want a new fresh scenario I am given a choice of RESTART or RESUME.
2) I hit RESTART. The Scenario launches.
3) I pick a new place on the Map (or you can stay at the default position.
4) Once the scenario starts you have the commander, arsenal box, ammo box, flag pole and map.
5) Go to map, hit Game Options. Click Persistent save. Something happens because text at the top right hand side pops up.
6) Play the game a couple of hours. You can hit SAVE by hitting ESC key, though I believe that is the ARMA save file. This tends to be helpful before a firefight so that if you get killed you can start again. There are 5 save “slots”, and after that you have to over-write a save slot.

Now lets’ say you exit ARMA and come back to the mission HOURS OR DAYS LATER and want to keep going from here you left off. HERE’S THE WHERE THINGS NEED EXPLAINING:

As above you have to:
1) Start the Antistasi Scenario. In my case since I have played before I am given a choice of RESTART or RESUME.
2) IF you hit RESUME you are given the ARMA 3 save game slots – the ones that were limited to 5 slots. Even though you can resume from where you left off with all your equipment, I believe that it begins to corrupt the scenario. For example commander missions no longer display on the map so that becomes rather useless.
3) IF you hit RESTART, a WARNING message comes up about restarting the scenario and you have a choice to go ahead and click RESTART or CANCEL.
4) In this case let’s click RESTART. After a few moments the scenario loads to a black screen with text in the middle that reads “Cannot connect to the positioning system” and a “CONTINUE” button on the bottom right. I click CONTINUE.
5) Similar to a fresh start, you are given another pop up message choice, and I click Load Prior Save.

And there’s the QUESTION – this takes me back to the very beginning of my scenario mission, and not the last “SAVE”. The 5 slot Arma 3 save slots are empty. I am basically starting OVER the entirety of the mission.

THE QUESTION IS: when you go to the Map, Game Options and Click Persistent Save, is that ONLY a one time save? Persistent to me means “on-going”. How do I save my last position before I got killed or exited the entire game system for a few hours so I can come back and play again from where I started off? I do not see any other LOAD persistent game menus.

I have even clicked the Map, Game Options and Click Persistent Save several times during a game session but if I completely exit and come back only that FIRST starting position comes up. I would like to continue from a prior saved game.

It seems that the only way to do that is to instead of RESTART hit the RESUME button and then load a ARMA 3 save file slot, but again, I understood this was FUBAR and not recommended as it would corrupt the game files, and indeed in my case I was no longer able to view the mission locations from the commander on the map.

WHAT IS THE PROPR SEQUENCE to save and restart later from where you left off?


*** I get that Peristent Save is ONLY at the map. But to recap and to test I started a new mission. I went to Map and did Persisten Save.



I THEN recruited 3 men, and moved the HQ assets around. I did another Map Persistent Save. IN THEORY, if I leave the game now and come back I should start with the 3 men and the HQ assets moved, BUT in reality the game is resuming with me ONLY, and no soldiers recruited, the assets all in their original positions, and to boot, I have no weapons and have to retrieve from arsenal.

So the persistent save is only reloading that FIRST persistent save. If I play 10 minutes or 10 hours and come back my progress is lost and I start again at the HQ with nothing.

Maybe it's a bug.

I have absolutely no mods running.

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geozero Jun 25, 2016 @ 4:39pm 
UltimateAntic - he posted similar issue back on May 24th and there doesn't appear to have been a resolution. His Persistent Saves when restarting were in the default positions, and that is what I was explaining above. All progress is not restored and is lost.
Scopuli Jun 25, 2016 @ 11:42pm 
The persistant save only takes into account the strategic layer of the game. It saves the state of the map, FIA/AAF resources, your garage, your garrisons, your arsenal, your statics (fixed in upcoming version), etc.

Recruited non-garrison AI units are disbanded and you get appropriate refunds.

The actual position of forces on the map, including your own, is NOT part of the persistant save. It wouldn't work in a multiplayer environment.

If you wish to use "proper" saves in singleplayer, you need a small workaround, because the vanilla savegames DO NOT WORK if you simply rely on the load function. So don't ever hit resume. It completely messes up the game.

Now, vanilla savegames can be loaded just fine while the mission is running. But if you exit the mission or close down Arma, hitting restart deletes your vanilla savegames.

So here's what you do to use a vanilla savegame if you shut down Arma:
1) save, 2) exit game, 3) copy savegame, 4) restart scenario, 5) load persistant save, 6) paste savegame, 7) load savegame.

Basically, you need to save your savegame files to prevent them from being deleted upon hitting restart. Then you need to load the persistant save, paste the save and load the save.

Location of persistant save:
/$user/documents/Arma 3/$profile.vars.Arma3Profile

Location of vanilla savegames:
/$user/documents/Arma 3/Saved/steam/Antistasi/
geozero Jun 26, 2016 @ 9:05am 
@Percster - thank you.

I get the first part from the manual.

The manual is inconsistent or inaccurate at this time in how persistent saves work due to the workaround (I also found that in a post at the Antistasi site last night but only just checked and verified that it works.

I found it inaccurate to simply point to the manual which does not include the workaround that requires moving files.

In any event your work around mirrors that which I found. I will post it here as it very specific in steps and along with what you posted will helps others:

need to quit Arma 3 and i've much going on on my battle. Well i have to do like this:
‐ Go back to HQ (running, driving, fastravel whatever), perform a persistent save by interacting with the
Map
‐ Save the game
‐ Alt+tab, open folder:
C:\Users\MYaccount\Documents\Arma 3 ‐ Other Profiles\MYname\Saved\steam\[sp%2fco]%20A3%20‐
%20Antistasi%20Altis.Altis
‐ Copy and paste the savegame (~40mb) somewhere else
You quit arma, then you're back again to play
‐ Open Arma, Restart the Antistasi scenario
‐ Load previous session after the Antistasi starting cinematic
‐ Alt+tab, open folder and you will see there is no longer any savegame inside (since you "Restarded")
‐ Paste the savegame you've stored somewherelse
‐ Alt+tab, press Esc and Load
Noreply Jun 26, 2016 @ 12:02pm 
The manual is spot on accurate on how the persistent save should be used.

It is what you are expecting from the persistent save which is inaccurate. As Percster said, running a persistent save in SP or as admin in MP carries the following points, as expected :
- HQ location
- Ammobox content and unlocked items in the arsenal
- Map strategic layer : captured sectors and town support (not the % but only the state, Green/Blue) , money pools (FIA/AAF), garrisons
- Personnal basic gear (Cloth, Helmet, Vest)
- Personnal stats (Money, rank)
- Garage assets (Both FIA and personnal)

And thats all. Nothing more.

Now what Percster provided you is an unsupported workaround that you should use at your own risk for additionnal save features which are not part of Antistasi.
As I suppose :
- Complete player gear save
- Player position on map
- Player AI squad
- Tasks status
- And the list can go on...

This workaround will not and should not be integrated in the manual as it is litteraly to bypass a fully working and expected behavior of the persistent save.

Now if by some extent the persistent save doesn't reproduce this expected behavior, you are encountering another issue.
But from reading your posts, you simply have expectations which are not supposed to be met by the persistent save in Antistasi.
Last edited by Noreply; Jun 26, 2016 @ 12:04pm
geozero Jun 26, 2016 @ 12:28pm 
See Stef's issues which are same as mine at: http://www.a3antistasi.com/forum/m/38173738/viewthread/27211343-single-player-savegames

and his workaround, which work for me.

I am merely documenting something that may or may not be a bug yet certainly can affect players.
Barbolani  [developer] Jun 26, 2016 @ 2:09pm 
Hi, that's not possible. If it was, the 58 well paid Czech professional programmers would have solved it, don't expect of the lone wolf amateur coder to solve it.
geozero Jun 26, 2016 @ 2:41pm 
Not sure what you mean mate, these steps are working for me and have been able to stop and leave Arma 3 and come back a few times now and carry on from where I left off.

I will let you know if I run into issues, so far it works. :)
Barbolani  [developer] Jun 26, 2016 @ 4:32pm 
oh, I was meaning building a Persistent Save with vanilla save features..
Scopuli Jun 27, 2016 @ 3:46am 
Geo, you might not notice the issues that come from reliance on the vanilla save.

Just two examples: timers for AAF attacks and timers for AAF base activities.

Those values are not part of the vanilla save. It makes no difference as long as you don't load a save or if you keep it to somewhat short stints (1h on the outside), but you change the balance of the game the second you load a save.

Now, you can play Antistasi just fine with these changes, but they sum up over time. Basically, after maybe 3-4h, you're playing a different game, on the strategic layer. Again, works just fine. Just be aware that it lowers the overall difficulty.

Use of the persistant save and subsequently loading it brings everything back into line, more or less. So if you do load vanilla saves, don't forget to properly load a persistant save every once in a while...
geozero Jun 27, 2016 @ 8:29am 
The only way I see to load a persistent save is when first starting the game again, i.e., when the Load screen pops up.

Is there a way to load persistent save within the game itself? So vanilla saves are basically only good when you are about to attack - in case you get killed and need to restart at that location and time - correct?
Noreply Jun 27, 2016 @ 8:34am 
Is there a way to load persistent save within the game itself?

You mean beside the obvious "YES" button to the question "Load persistent save" when you start the scenario ?
Last edited by Noreply; Jun 27, 2016 @ 8:34am
geozero Jun 27, 2016 @ 8:40am 
@tomytom73 - yes. There is a Save Persistent on the Map... why is there no LOAD? I would have to completely exit the scenario and restart which may put me back to the default and lose progress. Why would there not be an in mission load?
Barbolani  [developer] Jun 27, 2016 @ 1:37pm 
Because it had thousands of issues, you have to restart/load each time.
geozero Jun 27, 2016 @ 1:51pm 
@barbolani - thank you for explaining that. So if we use the workaround it corrupts the scenario. If we restart we lose progress and start at default. Got it.
Barbolani  [developer] Jun 27, 2016 @ 2:02pm 
Yes, you can know the reason behind this in the manual. Nowdays it may seem not a fine solution, but, in the times I was updating every couple days, you would hate not having this system.
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