Halo: The Master Chief Collection

Halo: The Master Chief Collection

Halo CE: REBALANCE
Ren Mar 12, 2024 @ 3:25pm
The Library on Legendary should be harder (See: Two Betrayals)
TLDR: The Library on Legendary is too easy, either due to AI or sandbox changes. Please make it harder.

Finished coop Library on legendary; both me and my coop buddy (who's a casual) felt it was too easy compared to vanilla. We replayed vanilla to make sure and yeah, vanilla was much harder.

Below is why I think this might be.

Vanilla doesn't leave any room for messing about. You have to (i) keep moving lest you get swarmed, but (ii) be cautious not to blindly step into rooms full of hordes, instead clearing them first, and (iii) take risky detours if you spot shotgun ammo to pick it up.

The mod gets rid of (i) and (iii). The flood don't swarm you as easily because they don't keep respawning as much and they feel weaker in general (they don't casually dump an AR mag with high accuracy to kill me). Shotgun is also (thankfully) not the mandatory weapon of the level anymore, so you don't have to walk into the enemy lines to pick up shells. In this way the flexible sandbox of the mod puts the player in fewer dangerous situations.

The mod let my friend casually explore all corners of the map, whereas in vanilla taking a wrong step could be a death sentence so we had to strategise hard. I think vanilla is how legendary should be, at least for this specific mission.

It's not a fundemental problem with the mod either; the Two Betrayals secret was hard af. The modded campaign can deliver a difficult challenge if it means to.
Last edited by Ren; Mar 19, 2024 @ 9:09am
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Ren Mar 15, 2024 @ 4:33am 
Originally posted by PopeTheDope909:
Are you by some chance a CE veteran?
I wouldn't say that. Probably above average but that's it.
If you disagree with my post and did find modded Legendary Library as difficult as its vanilla counterpart, perhaps my analysis only applies to coop? Because for me at least, the difference was night and day. It felt less like the Library (arguably hardest mission) on legendary (hardest difficulty) and more like a regular mission on heroic.
Twell Graham Mar 18, 2024 @ 11:43pm 
Can confirm that my experience on Legendary Difficulty was on par of yours... sometimes the game felt too easy exploting the fact that the NPCs had more HP and could deal with the Jackals and Zealots... and that was on Reunion Tour
And sometimes during that same mission the spawn of enemies made absolutely no sense at all... they were supposed to be spawning at the dropship and then flanking you but instead they were just spawning behind you
Tomorrow I'll be checking the same parts on Heroic and update this... but so far Legendary is not balanced the way it should be
A kobold Mar 21, 2024 @ 5:54pm 
From my experience playing through, Ruby did make the library much easier, but it seems to be more in line with the rest of the game, instead of being a difficulty spike from hell it is now at least manageable.

I think the big change is rocket flood now have a fire delay which makes it much easier to deal with, and the ammount of shotgun flood is reduced.

That said poppers melt through your health.

Oh and the flamethrowers.

that said I think they should go back over and do some more improvements. especially now that we have things like the mounted MGS from the mac world mod, and other AI and weapon improvements.
tpd1864blake Apr 11, 2024 @ 7:32am 
Ruby said he changed it so that Legendary isn't too unforgiving, this is intentional. The Library wasn't intended to be the hardest level in the game I presume. It was just supposed to be a gauntlet just as fun as the rest of the game
Ren Apr 11, 2024 @ 9:40am 
I guess it's up to personal opinion. I think it should've remained the most difficult level (even if it was still easier) since thats how it was before. Ruby didn't think so but gave us the Two Betrayals secret instead
tpd1864blake Apr 11, 2024 @ 10:26am 
I think the difficulty progression should be roughly linear, with Pillar of Autumn being the easiest level acting as the tutorial and The Maw being the hardest (in theory), especially since Spec-Ops aren't introduced until the last 2 levels
GamerGrandma Jun 3, 2024 @ 8:24pm 
Harder? Or tedious like the original experience?
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