Team Fortress 2

Team Fortress 2

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John Y Oct 3, 2019 @ 3:18am
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Grizz Oct 3, 2019 @ 4:51am 
Oh yeah! King Crimson album cover reference!
But, Is it a JoJo Reference? :lunar2019piginablanket:
more like thanos
levi brando Oct 3, 2019 @ 7:29am 
EPITAFU
Ok then Oct 3, 2019 @ 5:26pm 
Originally posted by Doctor Grizz:
Oh yeah! King Crimson album cover reference!
But, Is it a JoJo Reference? :lunar2019piginablanket:
Everything is a JoJo reference
「Eroz」 Oct 5, 2019 @ 4:07pm 
Originally posted by MisterChief12:
Originally posted by Doctor Grizz:
Oh yeah! King Crimson album cover reference!
But, Is it a JoJo Reference? :lunar2019piginablanket:
Everything is a JoJo reference
You just did some joseph ♥♥♥♥ on me, I was about to say that
Explosivevortex Oct 5, 2019 @ 10:32pm 
nobody:
king crimson song corus: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
Hunter Yap Dec 12, 2019 @ 9:19pm 
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ flaccid pancakes

more like limp bizkit
Dr. Martex Jan 14, 2020 @ 2:53am 
Wait! STOP! IT'S NO JOJO JANUAR-
「KING CRIMSON」
Huh? what was I doing?
LithiumSalts Apr 20, 2020 @ 11:34am 
exactly what i was thinking
MYG)T Apr 22, 2020 @ 12:00am 
King Crimson's full range of power needs many paragraphs to go over, though and its main function can be summarised in 1 sentence. In a nutshell: King Crimson's power is to "skip time". When King Crimson activates its power, instead of just skipping to a point in future, it together with its user enters a parallel universe (or a higher dimension of existence) of sort where everything goes on as it would but in slow motion and with everything between present an the future telegraphed as if a series of after-images. Since King Crimson and is user is temporarily removed from reality, therefore they are removed from any causality of any action taken during this period in which they're in the parallel universe, temporarily making him completely untouchable and invulnerable. The parallel universe process then also affects the real world itself, where it cuts out time in real-time. Let me explain: Similar to how Kira's Killer Queen Bites the Dust allows him to quite literally blow up time itself and force a universe reset to an earlier time, King Crimson deletes any amount of time equal to the time it and its user spends in the parallel universe from reality so that the user returns to the reality with continuity from their perspective intact. To put it into perspective, it's as if there is someone writing in Google Doc (time goes on in the real world) and you selecting a portion of it as it's being written and deletes it, thus "skips" a potion of the document. The outcome would remain, but the process has been deleted; ie, an ability where it manifests the concept that only the results matter AND the untouchable status of the user. This theme plays into the their characterisation perfectly. In general, people would not notice King Crimson's power in effect, given the ability's power is on a metaphysical level and impossible to observe unless you possess higher levels of perception or viewing reality as an external observer; similar to how if someone stops time now and resumes it, you would not know the time has ever been stopped given its simply beyond your perception. The few instances of people noticing King Crimson's power is usually related to the direct observation of their user, given the ability removes him from reality for the duration and as such their actions are not recorded in the flow of time in which then later get removed. This makes it so that once the ability finishes, it typically shows the people acting confused as to where the user has gone. Other than that there are Stand users, who can somehow notice time is being cut out of existence as if they're observing reality "externally" even when they're not trying (though if they aren't trying, they might ignore the said observation); maybe having Stand power allows them to access higher dimensions of perception who knows, but at least that's what being implied. Also, since King Crimson renders its user removed from all causality, this also means that the user can not make anything happen during their ability's time frame; or at least a selective amount of actions can not be taken during the ability's duration such as murder, but it would appear he can take and move things just fine in the duration (though I consider the latter to be a plot inconsistency that I'd get to later). And this is why the user never used King Crimson's power to kill someone during it, but instead to mainly position himself in a favourable position and kill the opponent the instant the ability's duration is ended. Last but not least, King Crimson also has a minor ability of seeing glimpses of the future that features only major highlights of the future without needing to fully activate the King Crimson effect to read off all the telegraphs and see how everything plays off second by second; in doing so it also means the user doesn't always need to remove time even if he just wants to get a look at potential events in the near future, given activating the full King Crimson's ability means time is also removed as it happens. However, since using this partial ability excludes the causality of the events and only shows the result, this mean that while what is shown will ALWAYS happen, the user might be uncertain or deluded about HOW it could happen; but on a flip side, they may use what they see as an heads-up so that they can try and make it so that a given process where the outcome can happen does NOT occur and thus shifting the process into another way that may or may not provide advantage to themselves instead (and then we can have a philosophical debate on whether or not this is an instance of "changing fate" or that this supposed act of going against fate is just a part of the script of fate and nothing is changed). .......... .......... .......... That being said, The confusion of King Crimson's power that's now an infamous meme is largely due to the fact there are NUMEROUS inconsistency when demonstrating King Crimson's power in application, especially towards when his user was first introduced and together with the other character attributes attached to his design it can leave the audience extremely confused. This is largely due to Araki's infamous forgetfulness and clumsiness when it comes to narrative consistency, which is also why he ended up shifting to monthly release after Part 6 and the narrative consistency has since gotten significantly better.

The said inconsistency includes, but not limited to:

Severing someone's arm and then kidnaps them during the ability's duration, which as aforementioned is a narrative inconsistency as if King Crimson together with its user are able move objects and people in the power's activation and interact with them on the level of able to harm someone during it, then they are simply not removed from causality, aren't they? And it makes even less sense since that scene requires King Crimson and its user exploit the ability's property of removing the user from reality to phase into an elevator completely intact in the first place, so which is it? And if King Crimson is so strong it allows for selective causality too, then why couldn't the user just the user kill everyone while King Crimson's power is active instead of always waiting until they're out of the ability to attack the opponent?

Despite skipping a significant amount of time enough to clear out an entire room (and other things, since this application is demonstrated more than once), sometimes the surrounding people are as if they're also transported into the future too because they've not moved at all from their original position after the time-skip and they're still on the same topic as before the start of the time-skip. This is probably because originally in the manga and towards the earlier scenes of King Crimson, Araki didn't quite figure out how to illustrate King Crimson's ability and ended up portraying it as if it stops time rather than that it skips time; and David Production actually went to try fix some of these scenes as they adapt the material by for instance, adding sunlight's lighting differences to show the audience that a significant portion of the time has been skipped, which while good natured attempt it ultimately couldn't quite fix the massive inconsistency.

It also doesn't help that localisers such as Crunchyroll added to the confusion by NOT skipping the dialogue when the time skipping happened, which is exactly what is shown in the Japanese voice-over where the characters skipped to a point in the future together with their dialogue so it shows a clear disconnect between before and after the skip, and instead the localised subtitle features characters finishing a sentence after the time is skipped and that is just wrong.

The time skipping process should be instantaneous like cutting a film tape, and this is true for all but 1 instance of the power's demonstration, in which a person is able to see a copy of himself for a moment as the time is cut. One could argue that the user simply intended it that way to confuse the opponent, but then it begs the question why he never used it ever again even in situations where that property may come extremely useful. Either way, it's an inconsistency. Etc. So yeah.
Stinky Mar 22, 2022 @ 7:11am 
King crimson is legitimately one of the greatest bands of all time, jojo stinkers ruin everything
Explosivevortex Mar 22, 2022 @ 12:20pm 
Originally posted by Fudge Monkey:
King crimson is legitimately one of the greatest bands of all time, jojo stinkers ruin everything
Dude really necro'd a thread to cry "popular thing bad"
Stinky Mar 22, 2022 @ 2:28pm 
Originally posted by Explosivevortex:
Originally posted by Fudge Monkey:
King crimson is legitimately one of the greatest bands of all time, jojo stinkers ruin everything
Dude really necro'd a thread to cry "popular thing bad"
see you in another 2 years
Caraid May 5, 2022 @ 5:26am 
21st Century Schizoid Maaaaaaaan!!!
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