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[BG]Maxi  [developer] Apr 2, 2022 @ 1:45am
Dev Blog XXI
Its been a while. Time for another blog….

There are two things to mention: First of all, I want to give updates names, because of reasons. Secondly, updates will be bigger from now on.

So let’s see what the next update will have among other things. It will be called “Antonia”, named after Claudia Antonia, step sister of Nero, daughter of Claudius. In reality, she was murdered after the Pisonian conspiracy failed, as she was part of the conspiracy (Piso intended to marry her).
In the mod things will be a little bit different, but no spoiler. Its just important to note now that she will be introducing the player into the main changes for everything related to politics (if the player chooses the rags start…).

The main focus of this update is politics. In particular:
  • governors governing a province in total. It is also no longer possible to just rule over one village, AI and you will always rule over a castle/town + villages.
  • difference between senatorial and imperial province: The governorship of a senatorial province will expire, then the senate elects a new one. Governors of imperial provinces are fixed. There will be different ways to get a governorship (the old one to usurp a town will be integrated properly)
  • a lot of new screens to manage everything, in particular as emperor
  • “influence system”: Basically you will have two currencies: senate support and just influence. There will be a way to convert one thing to the other and it will be useful to demand things, like titles, promotions, a governorship. There will also be a possibility to convert influence into money, (basically to use your influence to take on loans that you will never pay back.)
  • Change of the imperial finances. In particular: having debts will be the standard way to go, as all states have debts, in particular Rome
  • other things that I wont tell now

Other characters that will be having a special role: Claudia Urgulanilla (probably a daughter of Claudius with his wife Plautia Urgulanilla), Amokos Impostos (totally non-fictional, former worker at the infamous brothels of the marine troops in Neapolis…)

(preview images can be found on the discord)

In any case, Roma invicta!
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BanDHMO Apr 2, 2022 @ 6:20am 
Sounds like you have some fantastic ideas in the brewing!

"There will also be a possibility to convert influence into money, (basically to use your influence to take on loans that you will never pay back.)"

Would the opposite direction be possible also? i.e. become rich as Crassus and use it to influence people and the state?
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[BG]Maxi  [developer] Apr 2, 2022 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by BanDHMO:
Sounds like you have some fantastic ideas in the brewing!

"There will also be a possibility to convert influence into money, (basically to use your influence to take on loans that you will never pay back.)"

Would the opposite direction be possible also? i.e. become rich as Crassus and use it to influence people and the state?
sure, I thought that was clear.
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jubysz Apr 4, 2022 @ 3:50am 
Hello, First of all, this mod is wonderful, and I see that the changes also promise to be very good.

As far as the changes affecting the province are concerned, it might be useful to name the governors accordingly ("legatus Augusti pro praetore" and "proconsul" for example not pretorian prefect) ?

I didn’t notice that someone suggested this in the “Suggestions” section, and there would be a more historically adequate.
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[BG]Maxi  [developer] Apr 4, 2022 @ 10:36am 
there are way to many unique names for the various offices of people.

The idea was to summarize all this as "prefect of the praetor",
but the casus is wrong as I notice now, haha,
it should be prefectus praetoris

praetorio, praetorii is indeed refering to the Praetorians

But as the name is too long anyway I will most likely just call them Praetor or just Prefectus, and may give the others senatorials the Proconsul title.

Could be that the casus is wrong in other cases too.
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jubysz Apr 4, 2022 @ 2:17pm 
I'm not quite sure I understand fully the lords titles system. If I haven't confused something then your mod has the following basic titles:
1) tribunus
2) praefectus praetorii (o)
3) legatus.

I thought they all depended on what the person's job was, but when I looked closely I think only legatus works like that (the person appointed commander of the legion gets the title). And here it is, as for me, perfect

The others, as it seems to me, are permanently assigned to a person. What then determines who is a tribune and who is a prefect?

It seems to me that it is permanently assigned. To be honest, due to my love of history, I haven't played the basic version of the game at all, so I don't know all the mechanics of it.
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BanDHMO Apr 4, 2022 @ 3:22pm 
The Emperor determines who's a Tribune. Prefect is just a governor with a 50-strong personal guard, only job is to rule. Tribune leads an Ala or Cohort-sized force (e.g. 100-200). Legate leads a legion of 500-ish.

When you are an emperor, you can promote a lord to be a Tribune to beef up your military at the expense of the economy, or make a Tribune into a Prefect.
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Daviss Apr 4, 2022 @ 9:46pm 
Only thing i could recommend is titling govorners of castles and minor provinces Propraetor and title govorners of cities and bigger provinces Proconsul. Also have those that hold high office should have that name instead, ex Consul or Censor. Also maybe call Imperial govornors Augusti Propraetor so they are easily identifiable.
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jubysz Apr 5, 2022 @ 1:37am 
@BanDHMO, just why, when I, as emperor, removed the governorship of a province from some lord, does he still carry the title of pretorian prefect? And on the other hand, when I gave an entirely large province to my companion, he didn't get any title? And where (in which dialog or menu) can I give a tribune title?

@Daviss I agree here, this title (praefectus pretorio) irritates me a little, as it is poorly suited to the function performed. Propraetor, proconsul, possibly "rector provinciae"(although it is in fact a little later) would be better. In the imperial provinces, probably the most appropriate title would be Legatus Augusti pro praetore or shortly "Legatus Augusti" (because, more often, in theory, the titular propretor who governed the province was the princeps himself and the actual governor was ofical, only legatus of emperor).
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BanDHMO Apr 5, 2022 @ 5:53am 
Titles are not tied to land right now, only what command a lord has (AFAIK). You can give or take away villages, it doesn't matter, the legion commander will still be a legate, a cohort commander will be tribune and the governor will still be a PP.

Companions don't get this title business, I think, nor do some foreign defectors. It seems to be only for starting Romans. Maxi might remember for sure how it works. TBH, it never seemed like a big deal to me that would be worth investigating.

I don't recall the exact dialog where you can change a lord's command, it's been a while since I made it all the way to emperor; I think it's one of the dialogs when talking to a lord.
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[BG]Maxi  [developer] Apr 5, 2022 @ 9:56am 
So basically, as it is of now, it is like @BanDHMO

There are like 3 roles:

Legate, (commander of a legion)
Tribune, (commander of auxiliar troops, roughly speaking a tribunus militaris is just some officer rank, of course there where many many different such officer ranks but it would not only be an overkill that distinguish all of them but I think also not really add anything to the game)
Prefect, (governor)

the titles the people have may not update correctly if things are changed.
Same goes for the party subtexts.

But anyway, in the next update it is ensured that the titles and subtexts of the parties will update when their role changes.


Originally posted by Daviss:
Only thing i could recommend is titling govorners of castles and minor provinces Propraetor and title govorners of cities and bigger provinces Proconsul. Also have those that hold high office should have that name instead, ex Consul or Censor. Also maybe call Imperial govornors Augusti Propraetor so they are easily identifiable.
that is also an interesting point but I think this is not necessary. Being able to distinguish governors of senatorial and imperial provinces however, may be more useful. I would go with short titles though. Most likely: Proconsul for senatorial, and Propraetor for imperial provinces.
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jubysz Apr 6, 2022 @ 3:51am 
Originally posted by BanDHMO:
Titles are not tied to land right now, only what command a lord has (AFAIK). You can give or take away villages, it doesn't matter, the legion commander will still be a legate, a cohort commander will be tribune and the governor will still be a PP.

Originally posted by BGMaxi:
So basically, as it is of now, it is like @BanDHMO

There are like 3 roles:

Legate, (commander of a legion)
Tribune, (commander of auxiliar troops, roughly speaking a tribunus militaris is just some officer rank, of course there where many many different such officer ranks but it would not only be an overkill that distinguish all of them but I think also not really add anything to the game)
Prefect, (governor)

Thanks for the clarification. It seems to me that legatus legionisy works differently though, i.e. that this title is given and lost with the granting and revocation the command of a legion.

I checked it when, quite recently, as emperor, after a conspiracy, I did a personnel "clean-up" in my state. And the title of legate "wandered" along with the command of a legion. Tribune and prefect, on the other hand, as you described, seem to mean what the individual had at the beginning.

And one more small question: will previous saves be compatible with the update?
Last edited by jubysz; Apr 6, 2022 @ 3:54am
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BanDHMO Apr 6, 2022 @ 5:48am 
As I was trying to get across, all titles follow command.
Legate - give someone a legion command and they become Legate.
Tribune - talk to them and tell them to lead an auxillary cohort and they become Tribune. Prefect - take away the existing command of a legion or cohort, and the governor reverts back to Prefect.
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[BG]Maxi  [developer] Apr 6, 2022 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by jubysz:
Originally posted by BanDHMO:
And one more small question: will previous saves be compatible with the update?
No, that is impossible
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Daniel Apr 7, 2022 @ 3:39am 
I look foward to the update, and dread it at the same time. Since it will wreck our saves again... Oh well, it can not be helped i guess. At least i have become quite good at getting back on my feets quickly in this mod, that by now is a separate game from MoB with how many things it have. Btw consider removing the convert to christianity option that the player gets in the camp menu options after the fire in Rome. Unless the player have been in contact with christians before and asked in depth about ther religion there is no way he or she would know what christianity means so this option should only be given once you have gone deeper into the christians trust and then the option can be given to you by a proper priest. And also, fire departments for villages, they too have wery costly buildings that cost a lot to rebuild, only to have it burn down the week after they are rebuilt. Yes that did happen for me, twice.
Last edited by Daniel; Apr 7, 2022 @ 3:59am
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BanDHMO Apr 7, 2022 @ 6:50am 
@Daniel, I know what you mean about losing progress, but in case you didn't know, you can export your character to a text file and then import into a new game started on an updated version. You still lose all your assets, relations and political standing, but at least you don't have to grind the early fights with low stats again.
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