Crusader Kings II

Crusader Kings II

Western Europe 410-962 - The Winter King
NewbieOne May 2, 2018 @ 8:27am
Do Saxons have better units/compositions than Britons in 530?
As per title. It seems I'm getting beaten consistently by tribal Saxons troops equal in numbers to my Romano-British Sub-Roman Gov't troops (with good commanders). Is this coincidental, does it depend on some tribal bonuses or are Saxon levies superior in some ways?
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DC2357  [developer] May 2, 2018 @ 8:04pm 
In general Anglo-Saxons have strong Militians and Warriors and weaker Archers, Horsemen, and Cavalry than Romano-Britons. They do have higher morale and their cultural buildings are mostly Warriors-based, which generally would mean that a Saxon levy army is superior to a Romano-British levy army of equal size. Except for Imperial government, government forms don't have any direct influence on troop stats.
NewbieOne May 3, 2018 @ 2:41pm 
Thank you. That is indeed quite a challenge. A lot of the time I can finish the battle via Skirmish and numbers, and will presumably improve my melee somewhat when my Armorican Cav grows in size from 250 to 500, but so far it's a pain with the lack of a solid infantry core compared to the Saxons. Sometimes I have trouble beating them with double their own numbers plus extremely good commanders (e.g. +75% damage from Holy Warrior, extreme flankers/centrists and so on). I guess this is historically accurate, though certainly challenging. I'll need to think creatively to deal away with this. So far I've trimmed their numbers when they've been raiding without a formal declaration of war (which is obviously a capital crime in sixth-century terms, so hey!), as well as turning them all into tributaries if in reach, which should hopefully slow down their upgrades and give them bankruptcy penalties more easily. Wish I met the requirements for conquest CB… you sure the High King of Brittannia shouldn't have access to it at least on British soil, especially provinces recently held by his courtiers/vassals, some of who are still alive? Having great fun, by the way.
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DC2357  [developer] May 3, 2018 @ 8:06pm 
In general, for "non-conquest" cultures, the county conquest cb is meant to be for powerful and warlike rulers, which in CK2 terms generally maps to martial skill and education.

For the High King, suffice to say that we have plans for that.
NewbieOne May 5, 2018 @ 10:07am 
Another newbie question: What are the requirements for the event in which the High Kingdom of Britannia is broken up? Also what's the MTTH and if there's any random factor in it, what's the chance? I mostly worry whether it's something avoidable I should try hard to avoid or something normal that I should accept as happening from time to time and put my mind to rest about it.
Last edited by NewbieOne; May 5, 2018 @ 10:08am
DC2357  [developer] May 5, 2018 @ 10:50am 
You will lose the High Kingship if any of the following are true:
- Younger than 20
- Less 400 prestige
- Less than 10 martial
- Less than 8 diplomacy
- Less than 5 stewardship
- Is imbecile, slow, dwarf, or eunuch
- Is female
- Is not a Brythonic culture (Briton, Romano-British, Cumbric, or Armorican)

MTTH is 60 days, which generally means that it'll happen soon after you fail to meet the requirements.

In practice you generally don't need to worry about losing it unless your skills were already quite marginal to begin with, or of course during succession if your heir is bad.
NewbieOne May 5, 2018 @ 11:06am 
Oh, I see. I ended up with a 15 y.o. king. Will I be able to regain after 5 years or something if I stop reloading to keep it?

I could reroll to an earlier save, but his dad was 79 when he logged off to Avalon. I was already reloading to avoid a regency.
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NewbieOne May 5, 2018 @ 11:18am 
With conquest, I seem to have a dearth of CBs to take land from the neighbouring Saxons as a Sub-Roman Romano-Brit. I meet the 100 prestige requirement and Skilled Tactician but don't have Inspiring Leader and the other trait. What's the best way for me to meet all the requirements?
DC2357  [developer] May 5, 2018 @ 11:54am 
Claiming the High Kingship has all the same requirements and mechanics regardless of whether or not you or one of your predecessors previously held the title. You're not meant to be able to keep it across generations unless your heir is good enough.

Just the Skilled Tactician trait should be enough to get the cb, in terms of the attacker culture/traits requirement. Are you sure there aren't any other requirements that are stated in the tooltip?
NewbieOne May 5, 2018 @ 2:14pm 
Thank you.

I'll check in a minute.
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NewbieOne May 5, 2018 @ 2:29pm 
I don't meet any of the last block of requirements, it seems. The provinces are all Saxon/Angle/Jutish, they contain tribal holdings, and my vassals' neighbouring provinces also all contain tribal holdings. So essentially the existence of tribal holdings on both sides of the border between my vassals and the Saxons are preventing me from using the Conquest CB a Dumnonia-based HK. But I believe some of my current tributaries should qualify if released.
NewbieOne May 5, 2018 @ 4:31pm 
One more: will improving my Learning get me rid of Ignorant Ruler, or is it age-related, or what else would I have to do?
DC2357  [developer] May 5, 2018 @ 7:04pm 
Precisely. As a feudal ruler, taking over tribal provinces of a different culture group is meant to be a slow, expensive process.

Ignorant Ruler is entirely based on your Learning skill.
NewbieOne May 6, 2018 @ 11:48am 
Yeah, and I can't seem to able to destroy the tribes — looks like I'm stuck with them, so I basically offload them on AI-controlled vassals to see what they'll do.

Next question: I survived the Plague of Justinian somehow, but I'm getting the war depopulation events all the time (though I'm usually at peace, with the Saxons as tributaries) and there are diseases all the time as well, so I'm on Depopulation III all the time. Is this something I should accept as a permanent situation?
NewbieOne May 6, 2018 @ 3:51pm 
At the moment I also have the problem that the are no more Saxon lordships in Britain except one Angle count vassalized to my vassal, and I'm still getting those depopulation events. Is there any way to stop them?
DC2357  [developer] May 6, 2018 @ 5:23pm 
You're supposed to feudalize the tribal holdings by building them up and upgrading them. You can't sidestep that by building a new holding like you can in vanilla.

The Briton-specific depopulation events will trigger as long as there is an Anglo-Saxon presence anywhere in southern Britannia (the Southern Britannic Coast region and neighbouring provinces), as measured by whether or not any of the Anglo-Saxon jarldoms there still de jure exist.
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