Spicy.

I just learned about this by mistake learning about something else. Absolutely crazy stuff.

One of the involved parties also has been caught doing other unsavory things. Like trying to unalive President Truman, and successfully stealing the US nuclear war plans and selling them to the Soviets. Just to name two off the top of my head.

Would be interesting having historic like scenarios, I do agree

But in term of like, mission flow, what exactly would be the 'mission?'

Or would it be purely using the engine just to showcase how Israeli forces targetted an American ship and that would be the scenario, or from a game-flow perspective would it be the player flying Israeli aircraft against Egyptian navy/air assets and attacking contacts that are even in international waters even without proper ID, etc?

I get being interested in the historical incident and all, just from a scenario-design point of view I'm confused what the player would really be 'doing' besides one constructing an educational scenario around the incident or creating a wide enough scenario experience that one could deliberately or accidentally attack a contact that might just be an intelligence gathering ship, etc.

Bear in mind this was 1967. See also the gulf of Tonkin "incident". Apparently false flags involving American ships was fashionable in the 1960's.

I'm pro Israel.

Originally posted by LazyTiger:

Bear in mind this was 1967. See also the gulf of Tonkin "incident". Apparently false flags involving American ships was fashionable in the 1960's.

I'm pro Israel.

Shuttin' it down, right?

Originally posted by LazyTiger:

Bear in mind this was 1967. See also the gulf of Tonkin "incident". Apparently false flags involving American ships was fashionable in the 1960's.

I'm pro Israel.

Probably not a false flag if Israel admitted to striking the boat even if by mistake, keep in mind. If it was a false flag, israel has nothing to gain in admitting to something that they did not do and paying for the damages.

The ambiguity around the USS Liberty incident is whether Israel struck it on purpose knowing it was a US ship, or by accident failing to identify it as not-Egyptian, etc. The ambiguity is not around whether it didn't happen at all, like Golf of Tonkin, the ambiguity is around whether the discretion of Israeli air and naval forces involved is being covered up or excused.

It's not like US said they did and Israel vehemently denied like the Golf of Tonkin incident, which US used as merit to ramp up their involvement in Vietnam and against Vietnam in general - as far as I know besides payments the US didn't really target or 'punish' Israel lol.

The 2nd golf of tonkin incident was 100% fabrication. USS Liberty by comparison literally got struck by an Israeli strike, per US and Israel alike agreeing on that.

What is the 'end goal' of this 'false flag?'

Originally posted by Ole "Slim Jolo" the Hobo Hero:

Originally posted by LazyTiger:

Bear in mind this was 1967. See also the gulf of Tonkin "incident". Apparently false flags involving American ships was fashionable in the 1960's.

I'm pro Israel.

Probably not a false flag if Israel admitted to striking the boat even if by mistake, keep in mind. If it was a false flag, israel has nothing to gain in admitting to something that they did not do and paying for the damages.

The ambiguity around the USS Liberty incident is whether Israel struck it on purpose knowing it was a US ship, or by accident failing to identify it as not-Egyptian, etc. The ambiguity is not around whether it didn't happen at all, like Golf of Tonkin, the ambiguity is around whether the discretion of Israeli air and naval forces involved is being covered up or excused.

It's not like US said they did and Israel vehemently denied like the Golf of Tonkin incident, which US used as merit to ramp up their involvement in Vietnam and against Vietnam in general - as far as I know besides payments the US didn't really target or 'punish' Israel lol.

The 2nd golf of tonkin incident was 100% fabrication. USS Liberty by comparison literally got struck by an Israeli strike, per US and Israel alike agreeing on that.

What is the 'end goal' of this 'false flag?'

My guess is the end goal was to get the US directly involved in the war with Egypt. That is based on the assumption it was done on purpose. I have the same information anyone else has so it's speculation. I know better than to dig into 1960's rabbit holes involving wars.

Like I said, this happened in 1967 and has zero bearing on present day Israel.

Yea and if it was a false flag to get US involved against Egypt, Israel probably wouldn't come out and admit they accidentally attacked a US ship, lol, that's not really how one starts a false flag, with Israeli operated ships and planes attacking US ships and both sides acknowledging which side it came from.

Egypt has nothing to gain drawing the US into the war so would not attack the US, and likewise Israel has nothing to gain admitting to the attack if it WAS it was Egypt, y'kno, the 'false flag' part of this attack. If it was a false flag both would immediately agree Egypt had attacked because they were colluding together to bring the US into the war, wouldn't use Israeli platforms and their torpedoe boats to make it happen, etc. Likewise Egypt isn't going to do a false flag attack pretending to be Israel because US is not going to go to war against one of their partners in the middle east at the time, etc.

Probably the simplest explanation is what happened - Israel attacked the US, which is what both sides agree happened, lol

A false flag would be the attack happening and then both sides colluding to agree it was Egypt and covering up Israels involvement entirely, hence 'false flag,' not publicly acknowledging the attack internationally right after it happened, lol

And more to the point of this post itself - still, what is the scenario flow of the scenario in question?

Is it from an American perspective for sake of experiencing attack from Israel? Is it from perspective for sake of experience attack from Egypt? It's it hypothetical 33 % chance of appearing for sake of injecting organic feel into scenario that a fleet of torpedo boats or planes both can attack this intel ship in international waters?

Is it from Israeli perspective of failing to identify US ship and striking it? Is it from Israeli perspective of knowing it's a US ship and attacking it? Etc?

There's not really a 'scenario' to design around this besides reconstructing events, but again, it's an intel ship that was attacked, anyways. Where is the 'game' to be had in designing this scenario, or is it exclusively to just construct events in a way that dismisses the involvement of the states involved and who admitted to be involved because you're incapable of holding them accountable for mistakes made in the theatre of war, lol