@Stepover34 Maybe, but I've got some other things on my mind for now. Thanks for the thought!

Would you be interested in making a tier 4 unit for https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3023411279&searchtext=late?

This mod is amazing!
Please, if you havr time and energy, could you add some more dedicated content for Secrecy and for Oathsworn in general ?
There are very few quality mods for this culture and almost none add new stuff as organically as you did with this one.

Here I was trying to make ninjas out of the pre-existing Way of War content with vanilla traits and you've gone and made it it's own thing, thank you very much!

Wow thanks! I'm glad you enjoy it and I really appreciate the feedback! Hopefully the tome mods I'm planning will also be similarly well received :)

Played a few games with this! This is one of the few subculture mod I have found that just... works very well now in 2025. It's so seamless that I had actually forgotten it was a mod. You're one of the best out there.

Thanks! Yeah, whispering stones are definitely thematically appropriate, but I didn't want to overlap too much with Harmony and their vassal focus. I am thinking about adding something with whispering stones to the culture bonuses, instead of the discount to all pronouncements, like maybe fortification or some other bonus for assigning a stone to your own city, but I haven't looked into it yet. And I think I'll wait until Giant Kings + Ogre Update come out to see if Triumph added anything I can use.

I love it. I do wish it had more interactions with vassals, since shadow-order both unlock whispering stones. But I feel like you nailed it perfectly.

@wiewiorka Happy to be of service, brother. There is some 3D asset modders out there if you ever want to tackle the various Oath icon assets (Vowkeeper staff, city ornaments etc)

@Estoc Bestoc Thanks for catching that, I appreciate it! It'll be fixed with my next update.

@wiewiorka You made a small typo in the Description of "Secrecy": Mainpulation instead of Manipulation :^) Just wanted to let you know. Keep up the great work!

For the most part I like it but a shield unit doesn't seem to fit the theme at all.

How do you see the culture as a whole fitting with sneaking/secrecy/roguish tomes in general? Both vanilla and modded?

Really nice, great update.

First major update out now! My main focus was on adding visual elements like the city modularity and 2D icons. Hope you like it, and I will keep updating!

@Vizka Sorry for taking long to get back to you, but feedback from your playthrough would be great, thanks!

@wiewiorka Ah alright my bad, I thought they were exactly the same and thus not stacking at all. I will do a playthrough soon and I'll share feedback with you if you'd like. Happy new year and keep on gaming.

Thanks all! I will keep updating it :)
@Vizka Thanks for the feedback! The pronouncement bonus already includes fabricating grievances along with the two declarations, and should stack with silver tongued making fabricating very cheap if you pick that trait. I was initially thinking about only discounting fabrication, without the declarations, but that seemed like not enough so I settled on the generic all pronouncement discount like silver tongued for now. I will also keep an eye out if the devs introduce any other diplomacy options that would fit well with Secrecy.

Yeees ninja factions!

I have yet to try this out, but I think this would work perfectly with silver tongued if not for the clashing of bonuses. Maybe swapping out the pronouncement bonus for a 25% cost reduction on fabricating grievances would be cool? Just an idea, but it would synergies well with their devotion objective.

Anyway great job, this fits so well it should have been official, can't wait to do a Preserver/Shade army playthrough with this.

plz keep updating this its amazing

One more detail for those who might care - structures like stone walls and catapult towers replace the previous version (palisade and ballista) so you don't get an additional +1 imperium from them, it just doesn't drop from "losing" the other structures. This is how it works for the other sources of extra income for defenses too.

Thanks everyone for the comments!
@StopSolo&HelpTeam Thanks for the feedback and suggestions! You've probably noticed, but I just want to point out in case you haven't, that other defensive structures (towers, support..., not just walls) also give the +1 imperium. And this works for structures from tomes like artisan fortification and temple of the pyre too. So you can get quite a lot of imperium per city beyond the wizard tower and annexed wonders if you try. But yeah, for the amount of production and other resources you need to put in before you build it up, maybe the current +1 is too low. What would you think of discounted production cost for all defensive structures in addition to either +1 or +2 imperium?

This is such a cool idea, excited to try it out!

wow this seems like a great idea i hope they make it official its nice to see a none industrious defensive culture.

+1 to imperium for walls is rather weak. Even for a palisade.
I would say that a +2 is reasonable.
+3 would seem more balanced but also an abuse lategame when cities have nothing else useful to build
Understand me: I never build walls. Outside of an occasional palisade on the frontline, they're useless. If your city needs defenses you're too far behind imho.

So either that or you could switch to a generic bonus to normal resources. Like +5 each.
Or drop the production cost of the walls by 90%


Source: There isn't a modest way to say this but I play on brutal only if that helps.

This mod is cool! I am making a Chinese translation mod right now. Just mention it here to avoid duplication work. 在这里提一下避免其他人的重复制作。

@Universal Overlord I have just updated the mod with a fix that should remove any English text from places it shouldn't be when playing in another language. The new text that is added in my mod, however, will still have English in the tooltips that have to do with Secrecy because as far as I can tell poedit doesn't automatically translate text for you, and I did not add localization for other languages. If anyone else wants to add translations, please go ahead.

@Universal Overlord Thanks for letting me know there's a problem. I'll look into some localization stuff, but I'm not totally sure what you mean yet.
@WarrGrinn That would be pretty cool! Triumph has said that they want to deal with your allies being at war with each other, so maybe they'll add some more covert diplomacy too at some point.

I'd just love to be able to pay off the ai to make peace with other ai or free cities (gold,mana,or reaver/eldritchh ability). Bribes would be wonderful to get stuff done.

This mod disables whole blocks of the game's localisation.

Thanks! Yeah, Planetfall had some fun stuff. Originally I wanted to do things like one-sided treaties (keep your borders closed but have others open theirs) but if it's even possible in aow4 it would be more of an overhaul than a subculture mod so I decided to stick to what's already in the game.

ok. thhis looks amazing. looking forward to the finished project. I just wish the diplomacy for aow4 had more options like Planetfall did for dip actions and spying.