@Nightcloak27ttv: I had set a resource size on the screaming bell to avoid this, which works for twiceborn, so probably it's a bug (in dominions) that it doesn't work for lichecraft. I'll check.

not sure if this is intentional or not but because of the use of the old mount system if you cast lichcraft with a screaming bell you get a size 9 lich chassis (god lich is the title on it). I found this absolutely hilarious and I love it but I figured I'd mention it in case it wasn't intentional

@Ultramarine N47: It's intentional, they're supposed to be bad at rituals.

true in their main description it states both. however the trait shows inept smith and direct negative wording.
the master ritualist states adept at rituals and positive wording. So I was just confused with that section that perhaps it was meant to be better.
however going back and reading the main description I think your right

@Ultramarine N47. Well their description states they see forging and rituals as beneath them ... so I am pretty sure this is how it is intended to be. Their functions seems to be: Thug and Site Searcher.

Not sure if this is old news or a misprint. I mostly play Elves and the Loremasters of Hoeth have a trait called master ritualist that states they are very good at performing rituals. However the value for this trait is -3 and therefore they honestly cant cast anything.
They are terrible smiths and have a -3 to smithing so Im curious if this was a typo when adding both traits or if it was intended.
Thank you again for this amazing mod!!!

Now I am sold. :-D Great update anyway. Skaven gets really flashed out. Hope to see someone in a nice MP playing them with their new toys!

@Kellnaved: There are also advantages to being size 6, like the ability to wade through size 3 troops.

Well, then they must have been pretty overpowwerd before. :-p Now the Kinghts of Ursun are:

-) cap only
-) limited rec 3
-) AND size 6

Meh! They probably could have acutally used a buff considering you only get small amounts of them and Kislev is not exactly on the top of the power curve.

@Kellnaved: If they turn out to not be very good I can buff them. I think they're probably still useful.

"-- KISLEV -- Bears, including those ridden into battle, size 5 -> 6 (turns out bears in dominions 6 are size 6)"

That#s quite a nerf. conserning buffing them and halfing their damage output / attacks per tile. If this is necessary for thematic reasons maybe a few stat boost would be in order to compensate at least some of this massive nerf?

@Der Kaiser: No. I don't personally use DE and I don't think the maker of DE uses Sombre Warhammer. If you want to use them together I'd recommend looking into automatic mod merger tools.

I suppose you could also ask the creator of DE, perhaps they'd be interested in doing that work.

are there plans to have the mod work with Dom Enhanced without glitching

Thanks for the input. I think I'll recreate the situation with a test game and see if the upgrade goes through and how severe the issues are. We do indeed have a Skaven so they might be seeing some strangeness especially if unit IDs have been adjusted.

Great work with mod! Really appreciate the work you're putting in. Unfortunate that a host's mistake is making the update painful when it absolutely didn't need to be with the static versions available. I'd consider making the note on this bold and highlighting it even more in the mod description, maybe even bringing attention to actually confirming the correct dm file is loaded in the lobby. The annoying thing is that the host claimed they had loaded the static version.

This is a good lesson in why you use a static version to avoid these kinds of bugs.

@Verteks: Probably lots of events not working quite right, the extent of which is hard to predict. You will have a turn where national spells aren't right either but they'll probably be fixed the next turn. If someone is playing Skaven I imagine they will have various issues.

I doubt the game would be ruined but as I say it's hard to predict everything that will go wrong with events because they're complex and loads of them will have shifted IDs, forgotten they've already fired the maximum number of times, and so on.

A host in a game I'm part of accidentally picked the current version of the mod (1.31) and the recent update has naturally caused a conflict due to automatic workshop updates. If we upgrade the mod on server, what sort of risk of breaking it are we looking at? A game that won't load, broken scripts, entirely missing units?

@Sombre...I did. In fact, I turn these updates into PDFs; thank you again.

@eddieballgame: You're welcome! Check the kofi for full changelogs. I might do a video about the patch as well I guess.

Thank you, Sombre, for all the excellent work you do/share. This mod is so good.

@JJ "Mayo" Knock-out: Interesting! I suppose I could prevent this by making the two use different IDs. It does make sense he'd just grab the nearest bonebreaker and start riding it around though.

This is definitely not a bug and working as intended, but still wanted to mention it:

I used Gift Of Reason on Bonebreaker Rat Ogre and made it my prophet. However, a Bonebreaker Warlord lost its mount, which led to him uuuuuuh... claiming the prophet as his new mount.
I wonder how this will affect the Arena.

@Hope#1243 they're gone forever, unless they happen to be immortal like Tretch or Nakai.

A question on unique heroes, are they gone forever if they get killed and doesn't have immortality? Or does the event refire eventually and you can get another one.

Hm, I am not extremly familiar with the Empire lore. Griffons maybe? Like the Dark elfs have their sacred manticores? Giants? Are there any benevolent dragons in the empire that could fight for them? I know that the probablay have the best vanilla magic access and therefore vanilla summons but a national summon is ALWAYS more fun. :-D

@kellnaved: I'm not sure what later game national summons would make sense for the empire and wouldn't involve huge amounts of sprite work. They do of course have access to an incredible variety of vanilla lategame summons.

The Amber Wizard Lord's description covers this.

Playing Altdorf after a LONG time again I kind of miss some later game national summons. Any chance you might add something for them in the future for the later game stages (Conj 6,,7)? Elfs have their dragons, Chaos their princes and demons, all the undead factions have some later game summons, chaos dwarves got some really cool ones lately.

Also the Amber Wizard Lord (17445) doesn´t have a rider + mount, it is just one unit (which is cool if he is supposed to be a heavy thugg).

@Ultramarine N47: Glad you're enjoying it! Keep an eye on the kofi for an update coming fairly soon: https://ko-fi.com/sombrewarhammer

Just want to again say how amazing this mod is and how incredibly grateful I am for all your hard work and sharing! I have been absolutely addicted to this since I found it! 12/10 score

Fair enough. My fault for assuming you hadn't already considered these options. Then this leaves the unit in a strange position in my opinion. Maybe it's the lack of experience, but I don't see how I could justify investing the gems given the low protection and hit points of the riders (even after fire resistance). A pity since the Warsphinx itself without its riders is something extremely survivable and easy to buff with the national spells.

@Verteks: afaik sleep clouds don't work on warsphinxes or their riders.

#noremount has nothing to do with the warsphinx. It's for commanders.

#mountiscom also has nothing to do with the warsphinx. It's for the mounts of commanders that are also supposed to be treated like commanders, which is pretty exclusively the province of pretenders with divine mounts.

#regainmount doesn't do anything on troops.

I don't really need suggestions on how to mod things. I'm an experienced modder and if I need help working out how to do something I haven't done before I have other experienced modders I can ask.

Regarding the fire breath, the riders have fire res 5. This could probably be increased. I can take a look.

Also of note: it's easy to separate riders from mounts with certain spells like sleep cloud; something that affects the mount and rider separately and potentially disables the mount while not doing the same to the rider. Currently this offers the enemy an easy method of killing your elite Warsphinx troops.

I would also consider "#noremount". If the skeleton rider loses the Warsphinx and somehow survives, it should not be able to respawn the huge statue with a simple regain mount command. If the rider falls, the "#mountiscom" should ensure the mount continues to exist and act independently, possibly even getting remounted after the battle. I've not tested how it works.

I had a save from before the battle and after simulating it again, this time I lost one, but not to any enemies. Having the three Warsphinxes start together for easier buffs and then move forward together, one killed the other's riders with its fire breath. Makes me even less inclined to use the unit given it kills its own peers in formations. This would also imply simple AoE spells are able to do the same.

If there's no solution with the rider system, then I'd not use it. Some vanilla units have the "#regainmount" to immediately get back one or multiple mounts (Royal Mallqui), but I don't think I've observed one where this would apply to the rider.

I did notice that "#mountiscom" exists! Maybe this allows the mount to exist even after its rider is lost? I'm not sure whether the rider also needs to be a commander, but this would solve the issue.

I should note that reacquiring mounts is not simple for troops (it requires specific conditions, especially if the troop is not recruited via normal recruitment) even if it were a good idea to have the warpshinx be the rider and the skeletons be the mounts.

@Verteks: Having the sphinx be the rider and the skeletons be mounts wouldn't make any sense. You can test this out yourself and you'll soon see why.

Suggestions noted. What did the rider of the warsphinx die to? They should, generally, not get hit very often and almost never get killed before all the non rider crew are killed.

Something I experienced myself during singleplayer testing of the nation in preparation for MP after investing 75 E into recruiting three of these units. I immediately lost two of the Warsphinxes only because their riders very quickly died in the battle, even though the mounts themselves fared just as well as you'd expect from the gem investment. The experience immediately made me disqualify ever using the unit again because 25 E for what amounts of a situational glass cannon (due to rider) is not worth it.

My suggestions would be:
- Not using the Dom6 mounts system for the unit.
- Not having riders.
- If possible, treating the Warsphinx as the "rider" and the skeletons as the mount so they could be lost and reacquired. Though as I understand it, then the skeleton would always be hit first.

@Verteks: Are you speaking from experience that you lose the rider in each battle, or is this something you're theorising based on viewing the unit?

It isn't possible to use the mounted system and have the mount regain its riders.

Nehekhara Khemrian Warsphinx Rider is a bit of a strange unit. It's 25 E to summon the thing, but if you lose the rider, you lose the Warsphinx! It's practically a guaranteed loss each battle because of the 15 hitpoint skeleton with only 12 prot and 12 invulnerability. Is this intentional or maybe something that wasn't considered? I would much prefer to summon just the Warsphinx without its vulnerable riders or rather have the skeletons treated as the disposable part that can be lost.

@Hajduk: I can take a look. Possibly I made them size 5 so they'd be 2 to a square.

What are your thoughts on make Kislev bears and bear cavalry mounts size 6? Bears are size 6 in the vanilla game, and making them size 6 would allow them to move forward through ranks of size 3 infantry. This is especially important for undisciplined bears so they can get to the front

@Cidolfus: There aren't any modifications of existing custom events in the mod. There are thousands of custom events required to make the various mechanics work. If you wanted to add things like you describe (as a submod would be most sensible) it wouldn't be very hard, though event modding isn't completely straightforward.

Are there custom events in this mod that are Warhammer themed? Like instead of a Barbarian Horde attacking a province, it would be a Greenskin Horde, or the centaur-satyr attacks being replaced by Beastmen attacks. Would it be easy to edit the existing events to add this myself?

@edubores: It's not likely, no. A gyrocopter wouldn't really work in the dominions engine and the same is true of e.g. handguns.

Hello friend, do you intend at some point in the future to add mechanical units for the dwarves (like their helicopters) and more firearms and cannons for the factions that use them? Great mod, very fun to play.

Thank you very much for your reply and time! Thank you! ill try that!

@Ultramarine: Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it.

To cross a non frozen river connection you need to have all your troops and commander either floating, flying, amphibious (or poor amphibious), or swimming.

Sailing doesn't help, though sailing might allow you to get there via full water provinces if they border.

Or you could use magic movement via spells to get past that connection.

This is hands down one of these most well balanced and comprehensive mods that absolutely captures the old world!!! Thank you so much for all your hard work and effort, cannot be more appreciative for you sharing!!!

I am totally lost as to how to cross any body of water that isnt frozen and feel dumb. ive searched everywhere online and no answer so I have no idea what im doing wrong.
Is there somthing im missing?
Thank you for your time.

@kellnaved: Each step has a 20% chance to result in a spawn, as opposed to 15% for the other Ruinous Powers.

So if you start with an aspiring champion there is a ~50% chance they'll turn into a spawn eventually, along the path to Daemon Prince.

Uh Sombre, I currently play a few test games with Tzeentch and how much higher is the chance for being transfigured into a spawn then for other chaos factions. I swear to god it feels like 50%+ of promotions end up with a - cool looking - spawn.