Just confirming that Zhang Ji and Zou Yuan do not spawn at 190 with the mod enabled.

@xavieroutes94 No.

Can I use this mod alongside "TUP Family Tree for All Campaign"? Btw, in that one, Cao Shuang appears like in the year 193. He should appear as a kid (son of Cao Zhen) like in the year 205 aprox.

Oh, Huaman not having a portrait is a TUP issue lol, her portrait subfolder isn't named properly. Still not sure why she has a random age, though, a couple other characters are also given random ages that can make them older than people they're the kid of or are going to marry.

Huaman in the 200 start seems to be bugged, she has no portrait and seems to be given a random age, often older than Meng Huo and Lady Zhurong.

May I ask if there is Zou Yuan in the 182 script

Hello, Ironic. It seems that the mod makes Zou Yuan not spawn at Dong Zhuo faction in 190.

@Spica Yes, I am working on 190 Expanded

@Ironic that's awesome, are you working on 190 right now?

@Spica Thank you! I’ll include this version in the description (I don’t really check this mod page much anymore)

i updated the chinese translation and uploaded it here :)
最新中文汉化
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3462917950

想請問一下袁紹系列的軍師 辛評等人腳色不見了

Ah okay, thank you. Currently retrying mtu+tup waiting on 190 expanded update. After playing just mtu and tup it made me realize how much I enjoyed and miss the changes in 190 expanded, truly one of the essential mods to try along with trom+tup

@Midnight Driver 190 Expanded has it own version of this mod in it, so it is not needed. And it works for 194 and 182

also sorry if dumb question but this works for 194 and 182 as well correct?

any idea if this would work with 190 expanded?

after a few tests, it seems he gets the Partisan background, either by growing up or by being spawned with the console. i tried to give him his unique one but the console didnt know any "the brightest star" variant. also he doesnt appear in the Sun Ce campaign family tree, but is apparently still a part of the faction according to the console

wow thanks a lot for the quick answer ! Ok for Sun He, learnt something today !
the portait is fine, and even great haha, its the unique trait that doesnt appear !

@Kryos Sun He was an adopted Son of Sun Jian and interesting bug for the portrait I'll take a look at it.

Hi ! Great mod, even after all these years its still one of the best for this game !
I have a slight issue with the Sun family, there is a Sun He, son of Sun Jian and older than Sun Ce, and I dont know where he comes from since Ce is supposed to be the eldest ? Also, Sun Yi, while having an incredible portrait, doesnt get the special trait you show in the mod screenshots. Any idea what may cause this ? ( I tried to reload, and have only your mod and its requirements active )

I understand that for my sake you will not update. but I think that many will want it, those who play trom + tup. if there is a chance that you will have both the desire and the opportunity to do this, we will all be very happy =)) thank you anyway.

@Greg I would need to make a full compatibility mod for those as my new characters don’t get those trees

Hello. thanks for the great mod. I have a small problem. I play with the TROM + TUP mods. When playing as Sun Zan, some characters do not have the additional skills that TROM or Tup adds. What could be the reason? I don't know if they are compatible. Thank you in advance.

It seems to have a compatibility issue with "The missing general BUG", in the "3k_campaign_cdir_events_data.lua" file. Should I give priority to this mod in this case?

@Quaade 💀💀 try again I guess

I did not. Both Sun Ce and Sun Jian got executed in the same turn, but I have decided that it is not your fault. 😄

@Quaade all good it happens! Hope you enjoy your game!

Ironic, the problem is in my end. I experienced it again, immediatly after I installed a file from Gathering (The console one). It is an optional "spawn 18 year old" file, which I have completily forgot I installed the first time. The second i removed it, the issue was gone.

I apologize for wasting your time. Hopefully this can help others.

Yea it looks to be a problem on your end, maybe a mod that is in movie mod(permanently on) what is your load order?

@Quaade I'll take a look and update if I find out the issue

Deleted everything, and reinstalled only recommended mods - and now he's not there. I guess something else managed to alter files.

Thanks many times!
scratched mods down to this, and he is still there

Tup Family ecent tree
(TUP) total uniq pack 1.7.1v
Make them uniq 3.3 (wu anguo)

is it possible a dissabled mod affects this somehow?

@Quaade you might have a mod that changes ages, if you wanna list your mods I can check them for an error

why does Lu Xun start as age 18 in y 190 (sun jian campaign obviously). I messed a bit with my mods, and suddenly he starts out. don't know what I changed tbh

@Ironic ive turned it off and on to play Cao Cao and its the family events that is spawning clones of dian wei multiple times

In my game, he appears as 22 years old when Sun Ce is 19 at 194 start, becoming Sun Jian's oldest son in game.

@Coocoodas Third oldest son of Sun Jian, who was an admin of Danyang.

Who is Sun Yi? Sun Ce was the firstborn child afaik and in the mod he has a 3 year old brother who has the same name as Sun Quan's 3rd son.

anyone getting multiple dian wei's?

@raysofnoodles the other characters that have the same issue are most likely the TUP created characters that didn't get child portraits like Lady Xiahou. Another reason why some ages can be random is because they appear in game before their come of age year due to the birth year they were given by CA. For example, Cao Zhen birth year given by CA is 202 I think but this mod changes it to 182 or 183 can't remember.

@raysofnoodles Lady Xiahou age is always random before year 206(the year she comes of age in-game) because TUP didn't make a child portrait for her. The reason she appears as a child in TROM is most likely because hooveric made his own Lady Xiahou character with a child portrait I think though can't say for sure since I don't use TROM.

some, like Cao Zhen, never change, but a few others that are added fluctuate

okay, thanks. I did notice there are a couple other characters with the same issue. Their ages fluctuate randomly. I think it generally stays between 18-50

@raysofnoodles most likely not but I’ll take a look onto what might be the issue

could it be the gathering UI 1.3.22 interferes?

yeah, it is even above all the gathering mods

@raysofnoodles Are you running this mod above the original TUP file?

I noticed when using this mod, Lady Xiahou's age in Caocao is random. In MTU+Trom, she is always a child, as it should be historically

@Ironic How should I edit that?

@andrewcat If they haven't been startposed in, then yes