@Banter So you've tested with no other mods active?

@algernon hmm strange, ive never changed any figures in the mod, reset them all, and reinstalled and it continues to do it.
I have confirmed its either the mod itself doing it or its affecting something else as disabling it stops the massive income flow

@Banter This mod can't do that unless you've customized your income figures.

Recently ive encountered a bug with this mod that will just give me an insane amount of income at the start of the game. I will have a city with like 150 pop and I will watch as the income rises out of the negatives and into 90k+ incredibly quickly

Thanks a lot, I'll look for guides then

@xDanilor It's impossible to say with 100% certainty without details, but it sounds like the classic education/employment level mismatch. There are various guides around that can help you with that (this mod doesn't change the game mechanics, so you don't do anything specific for it that you don't do with the base game).

so i'm at 5000 population in my new game (standard game, not sandbox) and i'm noticing that my industrial area got almost completely abandoned the moment i provided my citizens with education, especially the big factories that provided lots of workplaces. Also demand for shops is always quite high but they too struggle a lot to find employees. My residential demand is always max but it seems like i can never get enough workers. Is this how it's supposed to be? I'm kinda looking forward to unlocking high density residential because rn the urban sprawl keeps getting bigger but factories and shops keep closing down haha

automatic? that's insane wow, alright thanks!

@xDanilor No, household and worker counts are automatic, based on the physical size of the building model. You can customize if you want to, but it's not required; the mod will do all the calculations for you as soon as it's enabled. If you don't want to micro-manage, all you need to do is install and enable the mod, and you'll immediately have more realistic values applied, no need to do anything extra.

For more detailed info, see the wiki linked in the description above.

Hello! I haven't played CS in so many years, but the itch came back. I installed this mod and on having a blast with it, though I have a question: I have almost the entire Quad set of growables (They're mostly skyscrapers and high tech industries). I imagine I have to manually fix the values of households and workers right? Where can I do that? And is it possible to also check the vanilla buildings values, so that i can copy paste them? Thanks in advance!

@algernon Good to know. Thanks for the info!

@Roachstradamus It works with all buildings. Base game, DLC, CCP, Workshop, local,custom, whatever. The mod doesn't care (and doesn't even know, because there's no point finding out) where the buildings come from.

This might've been answered already: does this work with buildings from the Emerging Downtown DLC or do I need to configure the household values if the options are available?

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@algernon, ah alright, thank you for the info & apologies for my misunderstanding! Good to hear it's not this one :)

@AdmralSnackbar Yes, you can, by settting all the population calculations to use the Vanilla (base game) calculations in the mod's options panel (see also the wiki linked in the description above).

This mod is working great for me, thanks! A quick question - I want to implement only the tax income updates (based on land value) to one of my older cities, without the population changes, but haven't been able to figure out how to do it. Is this possible within the mod?

@Daverd29 That would mean that you have an outdated and broken mod somewhere, as that error means that something is trying to load a game data type that was removed multiple game versions ago (and to be clear, this mod is fully up-to-date).

Hi there, when I want to plop some assets linked to industry or offices, I get an error "system.typeloadexception: could not load type 'problem'". Is this linked to this mod or how can I resolve that one? It seems to happen only to those types of buildings & the settings for residential or commercial ones seem to be default as well. Thank you already in advance! :)

That was my bet, thanks! Hopefully t1a2l still does some C:S1 stuff. If not then I'll just have to keep a table handy of what's "really" what. Still partly your fault though - I only wanted that toolbar because this awesome mod "made me" want a bigger variety of appropriate-capacity schools. ;) lol

@caddywonkus That would be an issue with Better Education Toolbar - presumably it's not using live values. There's nothing that can be done about it from this end, but shouldn't be too hard for B.E.T. to fix it.

Realistic Population and Better Education Toolbar don't seem to get along. The school capacites show original values, not the calculated ones (vanilla or workshop). They're correct/calculated when placed, just wrong in the toolbar. Doesn't matter if Unlock All is enabled or not, though oddly if it's enabled -while in the game- (Game Anarchy) the toolbar shows the calculated capacities. Unfortunately it doesn't last. Save/load that game, and they show original numbers again. Not sure which mod is the culprit; posting this on both in hopes it's an easy-ish fix for one or the other (or y'all know each other ;) ).
p.s. NE2 isn't involved, I don't have it.

You can adjust houses that have a duplex design, or otherwise could hold multiple families, using the realistic pop button on their info card.

You can use Customize It Extended to modify the farm buildings to suit your needs.

Hi, may I suggest reducing the number of jobs created by farm buildings? small farming towns end up being larger than the farmland around it, also some low density houses can definitely hold more than one household based on their design, so if that's something that can be adjusted it would be cool as well, otherwise great mod.

@SaintDevil That's the mod defaults for low density, or for unrealistically small high-density buildings. You can change that in the mod's settings (see the wiki linked above).

I have an issue where every residental building, regardless of size, has only 1 household. Couldnt find anyone else with that issue sadly

@Gatcha This mod sets building population capacity; it doesn't create citizens by itself, that's all generated by the same base game processes as usual.

If you're not getting a single resident then the first thing to check is that residents have a path to move into the city. Highways and one-way roads in particular can be placed in situations where citizens can't actually reach your city's buildings.

Its just not working for me i am not getting a single resident what can i do?

@ChaoticDucc It already does.

Any way of making this mod play nice with the University DLC?

@algernon Thanks a bunch. I'll restart the game and try it with all 3 mods.

@Angelhearth This mod just changes population, and doesn't touch any of the game's underlying employment/unemployment operation.

What you seem to be asking is about basic gameplay, which I don't have enough space here to go into detail on (check out some of the available guides on employment for more details), but what you saw there is to be expected if your new (empty) residential building levels don't match the education requirement for jobs (quite common with new residential buildings which start at level 1, which doesn't attract skilled workers) - the companion mod Lifecycle Rebalance Revisited (linked above) has some functions that can help with that, but ultimately, addressing over/under-employment isn't just about raw numbers, it's about matching education levels.

I've never been really interested in unemployment rate and such, but this time around I wanted to do exactly that. So, at a population of a little over 350,000 I started building only residential, because I lacked some 25-30,000 workers. The problem is that the unemployment rate surged from 4% to over 20%, and people started moving out. So, is it the game as such, or is it this mod that gives unemployment rates of over 20% with job offerings of 25 to 30,000? And is there a mod that really looks into the citizens overall welfare, that will show the real values?

@chris.m.dangelo Glad you got it sorted!

@algernon

It's working now! Some other sneaky mod was broken after the last update. I just automatically assumed it was this one since when I tried to update this on my old machine, it flipped out and froze in a similar manner. (There's a reason why I replaced that computer...)

Anyway, thanks again for the response! It is greatly appreciated1

@algernon

My bad- it is an old save file. 'Updating the calculations' is coming from the popup window, not manually adjusting. I don't know if I have Loading Screen Mod Revisited. Can look into that and seeing if stripping away other mods resolves the issue. I worry about that though since I have had the game completely seize up when I've removed some mods and assets before that I've used in a city extensively. (Removing just parts Network Extensions made the game unplayable, and I tremble at removing MOM.)

The freeze is odd. I can click buttons and music plays, but I can't select or plop anything. At first I thought it was just the game re-calculating a city with 130k people, but after 2 hours of nothing... Was surprised to have it happen when trying to keep the vanilla calculations.

Will try uninstalling mods. Any other thoughts will still be greatly appreciated too! Thanks for getting back so quickly!

@chris.m.dangelo Are you suggesting that the Steam Workshop's discussion feature is just a quick-and-dirty hack by Valve that has never been given any proper development attention and support? Well, I never! :)

Regarding your issue, I'm a bit confused with your usage of both 'new' and 'old' at the same time. Are you saying that you're starting a new city, or an old one? And by 'update the calculations', are you doing that directly in the mod's options, or via the popup that you get when you load a save that hasn't previously been used with the mod? If the latter, have you tried without any mods other than this mod, Harmony, and Loading Screen Mod Revisited active?

Hello-

With 2000+ comments, I'm sure someone has had this issue before, but I can't quickly find it. I just re-opened a new city. I tried to update the calculations, but the game froze for hours, unable to resolve the changes. So, closed and selected to keep the Vanilla calculations, but it still froze up. I would like to be able to still play this old city with the mod installed. Has anyone else had this issue and have a solution?

@aimnhfz98 Who knows? Possibly the Steam Workshop bug where it randomly deletes mods and assets that you're still subscribed to. But there's no way of knowing without you giving any details, and in any case, it's nothing to do with this mod.

Why me high school disappear?

@DaxipooMyPookie Yes. As a general rule, all mods will work on all maps.

Does this mod work on all map?

@Binn There's no memory impact. For performance, this mod uses cached calculations to make it slightly faster than the vanilla game on a per-population basis. Obviously, though, if you use it to have a much higher population than you would otherwise, then there will be a greater requirement for processing power - but that's not the mod, just the population.

Thank you for your mod, it works well on my game. But does sudden increase in population after using this mod affects space and GPU of laptop, seems like it need more memories and make the game slower ?

Alternatively, they could use Lifecycle Rebalance Revisited to adjust the rate of ped/bike/bus/taxi/car use to force a more American-style car first ecosystem.

@Chooy If there's too many people for your taste, and assuming that you don't want to change your city layout to better manage that population, then the obvious answer would be to change the mod's calculations to ones with fewer households.

I really like this mod and the way city develops with it but the amount of people walking around is silly and kills it for me. Pedestrians are swarming every single path they can. Small commercial areas look like Time Square at peak hour with a city of 30k people. I doubt there's anything that can be done about that?

@Lumber This mod can adjust the number of workers in elementary and high schools in its settings to whatever you set them too - see the settings panel and the wiki linked above for details.

Other education buildings (colleges/universities) and transport buildings are out of the scope of this mod, but can be adjusted with mods such as Customize It Extended.

is it possible to adjust the job number in education and transport sectors？as now a middle school requires 100 workers..

@BRSaura Use the companion mod Lifecycle Rebalance Revisited (link in description above) for more realistic (and customizable) traffic levels, but yes, in general real-world population densities will result in real-world-scale problems if you don't have the necessary supporting infrastructure.