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I always assumed that there was some sort of magic involved with their capabiltiy of flight...

Aha. It looks like I was here before, and I reiterate my earlier hypothesis.

*blinks*
Did I just walk into a debate about science on a mod for _dragons_?
**** you, internet.

nice idea but have you concidered the fact that dragon bone my not be made of calcium, but some other matirial not found on earth?

I told you I was getting sources. And don't go just picking a side because it is widespread theory! The debate is real and must be weighed. You should know what those you disagree with think so you can even be ready to simply defeat their arguments. I was going to invite you to open this to a real thread, but that is your call. I hopped on here just to refute the common myth dragons are too much a myth to really fly in any story. I came just to defend the facts of a story. Realism according to the story itself. That was my first concern, and this was just some extra since you mentioned it so badly as dinos are birds.

https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/feathers/did-dinosaurs-turn-into-birds/

The latter actually surprised me. A creationist once said they believed in the endothermic nature of dinos. But I can see how that is as hard to prove with fossils like the behavior and physio presumed by Evolutionary paleontologists. The Answers in Genesis people actually do compare the rock feathers and scales of fossils to show that the petrification process ruins any proof by comparision for a dino-bird evolution because it leaves the scales sometimes inaccurate to the original scale. But in that link they focus on the dissimilarity allowed for by evolutionary paleontologists.

SIr, that is far from how science ever has worked. Science is a method of observation, hypothesis, experimentation, confirmation, theory, confirmation in many years, and scientific law. Even scientifiic law cannot be fact, and human beings are the greatest deterrent of truth. Scientific laws have in fact been proven wrong on more than one occasion. You are speaking of a Theory of Evolution, and further theories which constantly fluctuate as hypotheses instead and have little to no evidence. That is how science works. Shaping our perception on the knowable universe. And even then, only through the method we call science.

The notion of sources being the same as science is an excuse this long time debator has heard more than once, and is only for securing the influence of supposed authorities. I am seeking evidence. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/03/most-dinosaurs-had-scales-not-feathers-fossil-analysis-concludes

@Melletch i'm asking for sources because i myself have sources from REAL paleothologic studies that proves otherwise. since you cannot provide sources, your information is invalid. that's how sience works. now if you excuse me i have some real debates i must attend to =) and this comment section serves the purpose of commenting about the mod. not to write a book about what you think dinosaures were and if they can fly or not. if you dont like the mod and dont like the idea that dragons have a bird like bon structure, than i don't know why you'd look into my mod in the first place

I am questioning the basis, those reasons. Think them through. Asking sources can be about the greatest crap excuse in the entire world and shows you allow yourself to listen to others and be influenced by them rather easily. I spent two years studying mentality and been around enough on the internet where people quibble at times like this to say it is a lame answer to call someone a liar on an assumption they had no source they ever read themselves. Answer with the arguments and points of those sources. I hope this is a better answer than the post before. I am looking up links from evolutionists, creationists, intelligent design, and objective images of fossils which are our ultimate proof.

You know, I have spent a long time gathering information throughout my life. To quote the original sources would not be of benefit to you since some of them are personal encounters, books, and more.

I have called out the credibility of the source you quote already, and it is not even the original source. Fossils are. I have made a statement of information you have never heard in your entire life. And yet you don't even have your interest piqued or intelligence bristling at the thought. You are defending your what you have been taught previously, what I have called into question. And you only quote the challenged data for its own defense. There is no logic here, only a mentality and readiness to maintain conviction through the prior reasons for your beliefs.

@Melletch i deleted all your post because you have no sources and therefore have no point in this conversation. furthermore, i myself have proof of what I'M saying. look up Vsauce on youtube. and educate yourself

THANK YOU!

Cool but... NERD! :3

Thank you, this is amazing.

HA, NEEEEEEEERD

OMG finally a mod i can get behind and believe it or not dragons could really exist due to the fact that for them to fly they rely on a second pair of lungs that produce a healeum gas mixture that is used to help them get lighter (and with a type of rock they can expell this gas to breath fire) and use there wings for forword thrust and stearing man documentarys are amazing and please excuse my spelling i got no spell check on this thing XD

@mister molecule their bones are dense and hollow. the only magic they use for flying is a rapid healing to keep their wings and bones from tearing apart because of the mucles strenght is greater then what their wings and bones can handle. ( SO your right 99%, better then most. )

@walsingham LOL

I'm going to apply the full force of ignorance and suggest they fly the same way bumblebees do: through awesomeness.

Nice :3

@mister molecule thank you =)

I love this conversation. I figured they had bird-like bones, too. I dont know why, but it feels like evolutionary biology should apply to dragons. However, they must use magic to fly, because I saw one lift a wooly freakin mammoth into the stratosphere. I dont care how light your bones are, that takes magic to accomplish. I'm subscribing, by the way

@eowilliams2: thank you!
bethesda SHOULD have done this because who the hell thinks that a flying creature (even one as big as a dragon) would have solid bones that weigh a ton >.<
also to the haters of this kind of mod... why? sheesh this DOES do somethin of use... it makes it so your backpack isnt weighted down when youre a lower lvl smith who doesnt have high stam

It's funny how people complain that the inclusion of realism in a fantasy game is pointless and counterproductive. Well then, why don't you go download a cel-shading mod so things don't look realistic either? The point of realism is suspension of disbelief. I can believe dragons exist for the sake of the story, but if I'm to believe they're real creatures, why shouldn't it bug me that they're too heavy to fly? The point of the game is to immerse us, tto make those dragons real for as long as we are logged on. Someone please read the book "The Flight of Dragons," it's an excellent work of speculative fiction written like a scientific study.

WHY!!!WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO FIGHT BIRD DRAGONS!!!

Was disappointed when I realised this was a realism mod ABOUT DRAGONS, and actually does nothing of use. Would have been worth downloading if it made the bones weaker so we could actually cut off limbs... but no, a fucking bird mod.

... OK, some realisim is nice, The birds in Skyrim do not fly with magic, when you get hit by dragon breath resist magic won't save you. Basically it isn't about realisim, it's about consistency. Drop a dragon bone and you can see what weighs 15 pounds, multiply it by 10, add scales, multiply that by 50 650 pounds of bone and scale (if it is in kg it is twice as heavy) now you need muscle to move that. I could buy a dragon whose total weight was 500 pounds, but we are looking at nearly a ton, and the wingspan won't support that at the speeds generated... I wish I knew the actual weight but here it is, if the dragons fly by magic, we should get a levitation shout in the vanilla version of the game. this is a design flaw.

they fly with magic...

Why do people have an issue with realism in a game with dragons and magic and other crazy things?

i think this is great!

I was going to download it but im a realism freak so I was thinking if they use magic to fly the bone structure was different from other flying creatures to provide resistance to physical abuse. guess ill have to deal with the weight

scales would be heavy but not the bones :/

The physics of dragon flight is 100% FAKE in the game...
If dragons 'fly' using magic - that would explain it.

They use their thum to speak but it's only a language a dragon can speak or the dragon born. An if i remember correctly only the dragon born can understand it. It explains to you how dragons fly during the quest when you capture your dragon

Do the evolution baby...............good mod.

it's just like i said =) it is realy subjective. Maybe some dev of bugthesda said that because bethesda see the dragons like that, based on some lore or legend they've heard. But personnaly, my way of seeing a dragon is actualy different. And yes you are right, who really cares =) as long as the bag is happy... =P

having trouble finding the statement.. maybe some dev said it during an interview or a video or what ever.. but the wings help flying, sure. they also use them for steering if i recall.

also, they are for show :P but who cares, rlly.. as long as their bones are lighter now, im happy, and my bag is happy.

in morrowind everyone could fly using levitation. However i find it ridiculous that the dragon have these great wings, and yet they never use them?

lol no i mean i saw like a statement (don't remember if it was on a loading screen or in some wiki.. i dunno) that said something along the lines of "few people know that dragons actually use magic to fly rather than their wings."

@ Lichy : well, that my friend, is realy subjective =) science, at some point of our history, was uncomprehended and seen like magic. Also my idea of a dragon being is not that they fly with magic, but with years and years of evolution. But as i said, it is realy subjective ;)

i like the idea but if you wanted to put logic in there you should know that they fly with magic, not with science :P