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The Complete Fire & Ice Guide
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The ultimate guide to all Fire & Ice patterns for all Marble Fade knives
 
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The Complete Fire & Ice Guide
Many thanks to metjm for providing me with the links to his full database of marble fades. With his help I've produced a full ranking of the marble fade pattern as it shifts from 1st max fire & ice (pattern index 412) to what is considered max fake. I produced the below ranking using karambits as they have the largest set of possible fire and ice patterns and are the easiest to judge each pattern shift.

How to check if a knife is Fire & Ice:

1. Inspect the knife ingame
2. Hover over the "Item Certificate" on the bottom right of the inspection window
3. ctrl + f the "Pattern Template" number to find it's ranking in the list below.

If it is listed, check the column for your knife type (Karambit / Bayonet / Flip / Gut) and check what max F&I it is or if it is a fake. If your pattern index isn't listed then it is not a true F&I. If you want to check if it is a fake or not please use the rest of the guide below (not all fake pattern indexes are listed).
What Knives can be Fire & Ice?
New Marble Fade finishes have just been added in the Spectrum Case. It has been confirmed that fire & ice patterns do not occur on the new knife finishes.

Fire & Ice patterns are possible for:

  • Karambit
  • Bayonet
  • Flip
  • Gut

Fire & Ice patterns are not possible for:

  • M9 Bayonet
  • Butterfly
  • Bowie
  • Huntsman
  • Falchion
  • Shaddow Daggers
What is this all about?
The marble fade pattern for Karambit, Bayonet, Flip and Gut knives has many different possible patterns depending on the pattern index of the knife (the "pattern index" is what determines where the pattern begins or sits on the blade, not to be confused with the paint index "413" which determines what skin the knife is. 413 = marble fade).

The most desirable pattern is Fire & Ice in which the blade is 50/50 red/blue with no yellow on the play side. I've put together this guide to help discern what is a true fire & ice, and what is fake (a fire & ice is considered a fake when any yellow begins to appear on the blade).

This guide can also help determine how "max" your knife is by using the ranking at the end of the guide.
The Karambit Fire & Ice
The Karambit has 10 different maxes within the first 43 pattern shifts.

Gif of first 50 pattern shifts: https://gfycat.com/ComposedImpassionedBlacknorwegianelkhound
I don't know why it blurs at the end, click on the gif and click on "HD" to remove the blur, same for all 4 gifs

1st Max - Pattern Index 412

Max Fake (11th max+ / rank 44+)

As the pattern shifts left to right yellow begins to be introduced at the tip. The karambit is much more strict than the other 3 knives (not a bad idea as there are many more possible maxes) - as soon as any hint of yellow/non-pure blue appears this is considered a max fake fire & ice. The rankings below show all pattern indexes that were available that are true fire & ice. At the end is a list of all what are considered to be max fakes and regular fakes.

The previous method of determining the max of a karambit was flawed, and lumped many pattern shifts together - which meant that two 2nd Max or two 3rd Max would be considered equal, whereas one was noticeably more max than the other. The purpose of this guide isn't to disrupt the current pricing of 2nd-4th max karambits so I have included the old maxes on the ranking table below.

Fake F&I or Tricolour?

If too much yellow appears at the tip of the blade then it the knife would be considered a tricolour. A karambit can be considered fake fire & ice if the blue on the blade doesn't reach the corner of the handle shown in the below image.This is harder to discern compared to the other knives. Boarder line fake/tricolour are very similar in price so the differentiation isn't critical.
The Bayonet Fire & Ice
The Bayonet has 7 different maxes across the first 24 patterns shifts.

Gif of first 50 pattern ranks: https://gfycat.com/JitteryTheseArabianoryx

1st Max - Pattern Index 412

Max Fake (rank 25+)

It's a common misconception that the "yellow" at the tip of the blade makes these knives fake. This is infact not yellow but orange (metjm doesn't have the correct lighting to show this) and this colour is not definitive of a fake fire & ice. Ap0c has a great guide on how to determine if a bayonet is true or not so I will leave the explanation up to him: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=632090047

Fake F&I or Tricolour?

As the pattern shifts yellow is introduced at the handle end of the blade. Credit to www.reddit.com/user/Unbelievabob for his guide and how to determine if a bayonet should be considered a fake fire & ice or tricolour using the following description:

...a fake as having less than about a fifth of the blade base of solid yellow. No yellow should extend beyond the start of the 'dip' in the blade, as shown by this image:
(for clarification any solid yellow present within the width of the 'dip' is considered a tricolour)
The Flip Fire & Ice
The flip has 4 different maxes across the first 11 pattern shifts.

Gif of first 50 pattern ranks: https://gfycat.com/PoliteSizzlingGreatargus

1st Max - Pattern Index 412

Max Fake (5th max+ / rank 12+)

Flip fire & ice are rare as they begin to show yellow as the base of the blade quite early. Around rank 12 there is sufficient yellow to be considered a fake.

Fake F&I or Tricolour?

A flip can be considered a fake fire & ice up until the yellow extends beyond the edge of the button as shown below:
The Gut Fire & Ice
The Gut has 7 different maxes across the first 24 patterns shifts.

Gif of first 50 pattern ranks: https://gfycat.com/AnchoredDetailedIndianringneckparakeet

1st Max - Pattern Index 412

Max Fake (rank 25+)

The Gut starts to introduce yellow onto the hook at the same pattern index as the Bayonet. As you can see the blue sections on the blade begin to cross over as the pattern turns to fake.

Fake F&I or Tricolour?

As the pattern shifts across the blade yellow begins to be introduced at the hook of the blade. A gut can be considered a fake fire & ice so long as the yellow doesn't extend beyond the hook:
The Ranks
By using metjm's database of 930 of the possible 1000 pattern indexes for the karambit, and with the 70 missing patterns provided by www.reddit.com/user/Alamer99, I've found every Fire & Ice pattern possible and ranked them in terms of their pattern shift from Max (412) to max fake.

i.e. if your pattern index is 332 then your fire & ice is the 9th best pattern possible, or 8 pattern shifts away from 412. Multiple pattern indexes in one rank means each of those pattern indexes is essentially identical (there are some miniature pattern shifts for some, but these are small enough to be negligable).

Rank
Karambit Max
Bayo/Gut Max
Flip Max
Pattern Index
1
1st
1st
1st
412
-
-
-
-
↓ Old Karambit 2nd Max ↓
2
2nd
2nd
2nd
359, 393, 602, 649, 701
3
2nd
2nd
2nd
16, 146
4
2nd
2nd
2nd
241, 541, 688
5
3rd
3rd
3rd
281, 673, 743
6
3rd
3rd
3rd
292, 344, 994
7
3rd
3rd
3rd
152, 777
-
-
-
-
↓ Old Karambit 3rd Max ↓ (may depend on the guide you are using for where 3rd starts)
8
3rd
3rd
3rd
628, 792
9
4th
4th
4th
332, 129, 918
10
4th
4th
4th
126, 787, 874, 908
11
4th
4th
4th
923
12
4th
4th
Max fake
48, 780
13
5th
5th
Max fake
204, 252, 652, 736, 832
14
5th
5th
Max fake
705, 182, 457, 660, 685
15
5th
5th
Max fake
522, 578, 988
16
6th
6th
Max fake
230, 982, 607, 773
17
6th
6th
Max fake
444, 452, 471, 631
18
6th
6th
Max fake
356
19
6th
6th
Max fake
340, 621, 761
20
6th
6th
Max fake
112, 876
21
6th
6th
Max fake
873
-
-
-
-
↓ Old Karambit 4th Max ↓ (may depend on guide you are using for where 4th starts)
22
7th
7th
Fake
14, 274, 614, 653, 795, 826
23
7th
7th
Fake
405, 454, 683, 728
24
7th
7th
Fake
8, 32, 58, 108, 233, 732, 770, 803, 867, 949
25
7th
7th
Fake
213, 243, 702
26
8th
Max Fake
Fake
337, 378
27
8th
Max fake
Fake
188, 202, 971
28
8th
Max fake
Fake
5, 178, 406, 539, 696, 854, 966
29
8th
Max fake
Fake
655
30
8th
Max fake
Fake
461
31
9th
Fake
Fake
493, 922, 959, 997
32
9th
Fake
Fake
68, 149, 171, 637
33
9th
Fake
Fake
287
34
9th
Fake
Fake
165, 206, 370, 656, 766, 817
35
9th
Fake
Fake
499, 516, 672, 706
36
9th
Fake
Fake
121
37
10th
Fake
Fake
238, 545, 591
38
10th
Fake
Fake
177, 546, 589, 977
39
10th
Fake
Fake
764, 844
40
10th
Fake
Fake
156, 868
41
10th
Fake
Fake
402
42
10th
Fake
Fake
28, 791
43
10th
Fake
Fake
553, 559, 725, 810, 858, 972
44
Max fake
Fake
Fake
372, 441, 632
45
Max fake
Fake
Fake
329
46
Max fake
Fake
Fake
232, 756
47
Max fake
Fake
Fake
727, 753, 976
48
Max fake
Fake
Fake
351, 809, 941
49
Max fake
Fake
Fake
90, 785
50
Max fake
Fake
Fake
805
51
Max fake
Fake
Fake
195
52
Max fake
Fake
Fake
561, 590
53
Max fake
Fake
Fake
27, 459, 710, 930
54
Max fake
Fake
Fake
397, 404, 473, 483, 537, 626, 818, 962
55
Max fake
Fake
Fake
254, 909
56
Max fake
Fake
Fake
125, 869
57
Max fake
Fake
Fake
647
58
Max fake
Fake
Fake
203
59
Max fake
Fake
Fake
183
60
Max fake
Fake
Fake
9, 110, 980
61
Max fake
Fake
Fake
448, 989
62
Fake
Fake
Fake
506
63
Fake
Fake
Fake
196, 309, 674
-
-
-
-
↓ Refer to the Bayonet/Flip/Gut sections of the guide to determine if Fake or Tricolour ↓
-
Fake
-
-
3, 60, 62, 71, 170, 216, 222, 234, 266, 307, 315, 321
-
Fake
-
-
328, 333, 364, 400, 411, 413, 438, 445, 463, 485
-
Fake
-
-
496, 535, 582, 605, 624, 630, 663, 667, 670, 691
-
Fake
-
-
717, 723, 746, 794, 822, 845, 846, 931, 948, 958
note
This ranking was painstakingly completed by comparing images of all F&I patterns. There may be a chance of typos or my definition of max fake is not the same as yours (my focus was on all true F&I so not all fake fire & ice may be included in the list). I've tried to give benefit of doubt for those patterns right on the cusp of max fake / least true - please let me know if I have made any errors.

Some interesting stats:

From the large list of metjm screenshots (1000 different patterns analysed - thanks to www.reddit.com/user/Alamer99 for providing the last 70 missing from the database) I recorded 123 true fire & ice karambits, or about 12% of all patterns. From my findings for the other knives this is the rarity of Fire & Ice compared to other Marble Fades:

  • Karambit: 12.3% (123 possible F&I patterns)
  • Bayonet: 7.1% (71 possible F&I patterns)
  • Flip: 2.9% (29 possible F&I patterns)
  • Gut: 7.1% (71 possible F&I patterns)
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