Total War: PHARAOH

Total War: PHARAOH

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Correct Historical Names

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Collosi of Memnon
The famous monument "Colossi of Memnon" was a name given by Greeks.

The monument they refer to was actually the Mortuary temple for the Pharaoh Amenhotep III.

This mod changes the name of the monument and some references in Tausrets campaign select screen to the historical name that would have bee used in the setting of the game.

Temple of Abydos
Another Greek name. The monument would have been called "The Great Temple of Abdju" by Egyptians. However at this time frame, it's construction would be in living memory, and so referred to as "The Great Temple of Seti I". The latter name is used by this mod.

Memphis
Couple of references to Memphis, renamed to Mennefer

Thebes
Couple of references to Thebes, renamed to Waset.

Anything I miss?
Let me know if I missed anything, and I can look at updating the mod.
9 Comments
76561198257037211 May 17 @ 8:17am 
+

Farafra 👉 Wehat Ta-iht
Dakhla 👉 Wehat Mut
Dungul 👉 Wehat Tungul
Northern Oasis 👉 Wehat Mehtet

Also Kelone (formation) 👉 Khelowne

The game gives the Mycenaean term for testudo as Kelone but kelone is actually a very crude transcription of a very late Ancient Greek form of the same word, which would be more like khelowne in actual Mycenaean.

+ The references to ‘Africa’, such as the flavour text for Nubian Bowmen, is thematically incorrect because Africa is what the continent that houses Egypt is called today , but the modern name derives from a completely different location (Carthage) and also the very concept of ‘Africa’ as a continent is a later invention and it did not even originally include anything east of the Nile. Contextually ‘The Two Lands’ or ‘Nile Valley’ would be better choices.

Also Sinai 👉 Biau or Khetiu Mafkat.
76561198257037211 May 8 @ 1:09pm 
Rome II calls the Athenian faction ‘Athens’ but refers to the settlement as ‘Athenai’. Perhaps it would be a sensible compromise to rename the city of Abydos to Abarter (approximation of the pronunciation of the Egyptian name in contemporary English) or Aabata (Latin spelling) while leaving the faction as Abdju, and so on?

Also as far as I understand, while the Jerusalem of this era was internationally known as Urushalim, its actual inhabitants referred to it just as Shalem, or Beth-Shalem, so while the faction name is best left as Urushalim (or perhaps Urusalim because the game is inconsistent and arbitrarily represents š as s in one place (Suppiluliuma) and as sh in another (Urushalim)), the settlement name should probably be Beth-Shalem.
IfThenOrElse  [author] Apr 30 @ 12:33pm 
Huh. Well, I'm no Egyptologist, so can't say what is the best option (whilst also being recognisable for a mass audience) but if an academic is willing to help find a consistent naming, happy to collab. As for cultural names.. it might be possible to script names changing based on the culture being played.
76561198257037211 Apr 30 @ 9:35am 
Bahariya 👉 Wehat Mehtet (Arabic vs. Egyptian name; oddly both versions of the name are in the game but Bahariya is used everywhere it actually matters)
Kharga 👉 Wehat Resyt (same)
Rhacotis 👉 Ra-ked (Greek vs. Egyptian name; same situation as oases)

Western Desert 👉 Deshret-amentiu (self-explanatory; no idea why the devs went with the English name)

Sukkot 👉 Tjeku (Hebrew vs. Egyptian name; honestly unsure about this change because the faction that occupies that settlement is Canaanite)

And then there is this fact that none of the names are in their actual 1200 BC Egyptian form. For instance were the game going for entirely authentic nomenclature, Memphis would be Mounnefah rather than Mennefer, and Abydos would be Abarter rather than Abdju. But then again Urushalim is rather accurately Urushalim. The names in this game are all over the place.
Kendji Apr 20 @ 3:49am 
How about Alasa and Enkomi vs current Kition and Alashiya?

Also Shechem has been proposed to be renamed Rabbath Ammon https://steamcommunity.com/app/1937780/discussions/0/4293692344082388100/
Pharaoh Apr 8 @ 7:34pm 
nice thanks!!
IfThenOrElse  [author] Apr 3 @ 12:28pm 
Hey Cybermat47, thanks for the heads up - just updated the location to "The Great Temple of Seti I"
Psycho Oct 21, 2023 @ 7:27am 
Thanks :)
Cybermat47 Oct 16, 2023 @ 11:34pm 
Great mod!

I think that the Great Temple of Abydos monument should be renamed to the Great Temple of Abdju or the Temple of Seti I as well. From what I can tell, 'Abydos' is a Greek name for Abdju, like how they called Waset 'Thebes'.