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inakilbss Apr 14, 2016 @ 5:06am
Idea to remove random crits
Everyone interested in playing this game seriously knows random crits are crap, but sv_nocrits means some weapons are unbalanced (*cough* Market Gardener *cough*). Valve, why don't you try averaging crits (e.g.: 2% crit chance → 100% base damage + 4% crit damage (full crits are 200% crit damage))? If it turns out to be unbalanced, well, there are many other math functions you could use.
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ErlWithCheese@YT Apr 14, 2016 @ 5:06am 
no
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inakilbss Apr 14, 2016 @ 5:17am 
Originally posted by Anal Pounder with Cheese:
no
Why not?
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ErlWithCheese@YT Apr 14, 2016 @ 5:18am 
you arent the first to propose this. it wouldnt work. the math has been proven.
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War♣Den Apr 14, 2016 @ 5:23am 
random crits aren't that bad
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inakilbss Apr 14, 2016 @ 5:43am 
Originally posted by Anal Pounder with Cheese:
you arent the first to propose this. it wouldnt work. the math has been proven.
What kind of proof?
Originally posted by War-Den ᴰᵉᵛ:
random crits aren't that bad
They add an element of randomness, inaceptable in competitive.
Last edited by inakilbss; Apr 14, 2016 @ 5:44am
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SINGLEMOM69 Apr 14, 2016 @ 6:05am 
Random crits aren't even enabled in MM. Valve will be reworking weapon stats and values once MM roles out too, so you won't have to worry about "no random critical hits" on some weapons.
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inakilbss Apr 14, 2016 @ 8:48am 
Originally posted by diashock:
Random crits aren't even enabled in MM. Valve will be reworking weapon stats and values once MM roles out too, so you won't have to worry about "no random critical hits" on some weapons.
I know they aren't enabled in MM, but it's still pretty annoying for pubs. I hope they just remove them at that point.
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William Knifeman Apr 14, 2016 @ 11:33am 
Even with no random crits Market gardener isn't that good.
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inakilbss Apr 22, 2016 @ 10:12am 
Originally posted by The Value of Life $5.99:
Even with no random crits Market gardener isn't that good.
Nocrits makes it a straight upgrade to the Shovel. Even if it's not that good, it serves well in illustrating a balance problem.
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Acedia Apr 22, 2016 @ 1:52pm 
Tf_weapon_criticals 0
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Kitt 🌟 Stargazer Apr 22, 2016 @ 4:04pm 
You can't really consider it competitive if a random element is allowed. I don't know a single competitive scene that favors the use of random generated elements into a game because it deviates from skill and can have a negative impact on the enjoyment of the game from both the players and spectators.

Originally posted by inakilbss:
Originally posted by The Value of Life $5.99:
Even with no random crits Market gardener isn't that good.
Nocrits makes it a straight upgrade to the Shovel. Even if it's not that good, it serves well in illustrating a balance problem.

Most melee unlocks can't really be balanced around stock options due to the stock option being almost completely useless for the class in all honestly. How does one balance around them? All it'll do is make the unlock just as useless...

The only real exceptions are Spy and Engineer ( Due to unique functions of their melee ), and Demo and Sniper who generally are suppose to have weak up close game IMO when utilizing their normal loadouts.
Last edited by Kitt 🌟 Stargazer; Apr 22, 2016 @ 4:07pm
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William Knifeman Apr 22, 2016 @ 4:51pm 
Originally posted by inakilbss:
Originally posted by The Value of Life $5.99:
Even with no random crits Market gardener isn't that good.
Nocrits makes it a straight upgrade to the Shovel. Even if it's not that good, it serves well in illustrating a balance problem.
Pretty much every stock melee (With the exception of the Wrench and Knife) is just inferior to the other options. Also nerfing Market Gardener won't help as it will just make the Escape Plan the best soldier melee.
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William Knifeman Apr 22, 2016 @ 4:53pm 
Originally posted by Kitt Stargazer:
You can't really consider it competitive if a random element is allowed. I don't know a single competitive scene that favors the use of random generated elements into a game because it deviates from skill and can have a negative impact on the enjoyment of the game from both the players and spectators.
I think League has random crits in competitive but I don't play so I'm not sure.
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inakilbss Apr 26, 2016 @ 11:35am 
I think this discussion is getting out of topic. We should focus on the fact that people are always complaining about random crits. Why would people complain so much but not want them removed? You're like Spaniards with politics.
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ErlWithCheese@YT Apr 26, 2016 @ 5:42pm 
Originally posted by inakilbss:
I think this discussion is getting out of topic. We should focus on the fact that people are always complaining about random crits. Why would people complain so much but not want them removed? You're like Spaniards with politics.

people complain about that which they cannot control.
it is human nature at its core to want control.
i reject the notion of control and say allow chaos to dictate the outcome of life.

besides, be glad they dont use pseudo-random.
if they did everytime i didnt crit would make me more likely to crit.
be glad its a chance and not a build up chance.

be glad you have a chance to win.
be glad.
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