Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

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Does this qualify Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 as woke?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1771300/discussions/0/507318096807138779/

[Gamer92612]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Leozaz il Remoto:

Game is woke as hell

It is not extremely woke to be honest. I want to be pragmatic.
I personally would not buy it at least until the price drops by half or more.
But it is wildly popular although not to the extent of Elden Ring or Bauldur's Gate 3.
The game, is really about as woke as BG3 and maybe slightly more woke than Elden Ring.(That is also debatable) I personally refuse to buy BG3 as well. It will be popular no matter what we say but we can make our personal decision whether to buy it at all or when to buy it. I have too many other games that are not woke available to me so I will not buy this at least yet just for pragmatic reasons.

[᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gamer92612:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Leozaz il Remoto:

Game is woke as hell

It is not extremely woke to be honest. I want to be pragmatic.
I personally would not buy it at least until the price drops by half or more.
But it is wildly popular although not to the extent of Elden Ring or Bauldur's Gate 3.
The game, is really about as woke as BG3 and maybe slightly more woke than Elden Ring.(That is also debatable) I personally refuse to buy BG3 as well. It will be popular no matter what we say but we can make our personal decision whether to buy it at all or when to buy it. I have too many other games that are not woke available to me so I will not buy this at least yet just for pragmatic reasons.

You are absolutely right, unfortunately after masterpieces like Dustborn or Dragon Age Veilguard you are naturally induced to say: well, compared TO THEM it is still playable.

[Patola [Linux]]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gamer92612:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Leozaz il Remoto:

Game is woke as hell

It is not extremely woke to be honest. I want to be pragmatic.

Isn't that worse? It ensures its success even with the usually resistant public. And its subtle wokeness works more effectively when it's subliminal. Like the repeated attempt to demoralize masculinity, western civilization and European history.

All the woke elements of the game were discovered one month before it debut, so they haven't got time to had a negative impact on sales. And they were clearly injected there by influence of Embracer and Plaion.

I think we might need to better anticipate this kind of stuff.

[Gamer92612]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Patola Linux:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gamer92612:

It is not extremely woke to be honest. I want to be pragmatic.

Isn't that worse? It ensures its success even with the usually resistant public. And its subtle wokeness works more effectively when it's subliminal. Like the repeated attempt to demoralize masculinity, western civilization and European history.

All the woke elements of the game were discovered one month before it debut, so they haven't got time to had a negative impact on sales. And they were clearly injected there by influence of Embracer and Plaion.

I think we might need to better anticipate this kind of stuff.

I'm just saying this is not the hill to die on. BG3 was very woke and Elden Ring is also at least subtly woke and both are extremely popular regardless of what we say.
Histroy cannot always be used to predict the future although it often repeats itself.
I'd just enjoy the games I like and ignore the ones I don't especially woke ones.
I'm not going to go on social media to attack people who like this game. Games are for fun and we should promote the ones we like more especially woke-free games instead of focusing on attacking the bad ones. Actually I tend to find the good ones are not being promoted enough. There will never be an end of woke games that are made well. It's would be an endless war that cannot be won permanently. IMO We should focus on the good ones.

[CircuitBreaker]

I did not buy it because of comments made by developers. It started to stink of woke.
One of my friends bought it and we turned it off after few minutes + requested refund.
The game is woke, no doubt. The content is made by globohomo porn addicts.

[Patola [Linux]]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gamer92612:

I'm just saying this is not the hill to die on. BG3 was very woke and Elden Ring is also at least subtly woke and both are extremely popular regardless of what we say.

Histroy cannot always be used to predict the future although it often repeats itself.
I'd just enjoy the games I like and ignore the ones I don't especially woke ones.
I'm not going to go on social media to attack people who like this game. Games are for fun and we should promote the ones we like more especially woke-free games instead of focusing on attacking the bad ones. Actually I tend to find the good ones are not being promoted enough. There will never be an end of woke games that are made well. It's would be an endless war that cannot be won permanently. IMO We should focus on the good ones.

That would be sensible if there was not a very dedicated, entrenched and stubborn activist crowd that will not back down one bit to contaminate every game with the ideology even if that makes them go bad and fail. And they are perpetually trying to contaminate every other game. That was what happened with Kingdom Come Deliverance II, I think. I don't believe what Vávras said of being a "creative choice". They were clearly forced to do so by Embracer's own clear directives. Sometimes we can detected these "financial incentives", other times they are embroiled in NDAs and back deals no one else has access to. Some attempts have already surfaced for non-woke games like HELLDIVERS 2 and Space Marine 2. These people want it all. They don't want to allow different narratives to exist.

So, I don't think your pacifist / passive tactics are viable. They will use their money to erode whatever they can. They are relentless. Despite of what you've heard, Blackrock backpedaled just a tiny little bit -- they still have their DEI mandates on their pages, and the same for Vanguard and State Street and they are still responsible for 40 trillions dollars yearly. The Embracer group had some failures but despite that they are still enforcing DEI. I don't think you realize the forces we're facing on this cultural war. It's not a bunch of weird creatives that came up with that. And the press is also completely taken: they will never tell you how woke a game is, even most youtubers won't mention it sometimes for fear of controversy (and dividing their public), other times because they agree with that b***sheet or are complicit with it due to sponsors.

[Ghannon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gamer92612:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Leozaz il Remoto:

Game is woke as hell

It is not extremely woke to be honest. I want to be pragmatic.
I personally would not buy it at least until the price drops by half or more.
But it is wildly popular although not to the extent of Elden Ring or Bauldur's Gate 3.
The game, is really about as woke as BG3 and maybe slightly more woke than Elden Ring.(That is also debatable) I personally refuse to buy BG3 as well. It will be popular no matter what we say but we can make our personal decision whether to buy it at all or when to buy it. I have too many other games that are not woke available to me so I will not buy this at least yet just for pragmatic reasons.

OP here, just utilizing an alternate account because my primary is on a 4 week community ban and I just felt it necessary to set the record straight.

Pointing out the elephant in the room: You argue that these games are "not that woke," but by making that argument, you're essentially acknowledging that the games are, in fact, woke.

Personally, I think you’re an undercover SJW, or perhaps just a sadomasochist who enjoys the proverbial slow boil leading up to a certain finale. A game is either woke or not woke; fence-sitting only makes you a pawn for those controlling the narrative at the relevant moment.

BG3 was one of the wokest modern RPGs, featuring homosexuality, bestiality, consequence-free sex, and customizable body types. A player could even create a man with a woman's body, for crying out loud. And this is just what I noticed as someone who pirated the game for a quick look around.

As I said before, role-playing games used to place players in the shoes of a character whose personality and values were shaped by his or her environment. Now, however, most feel more like a Build-A-Bear workshop, where players construct their ideal selves.

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Patola Linux:

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Yes, don't give an inch.

They took part 1 and just used part 2 as a subversive vehicle and there's quite a lot of it that's not in your face, not just the gay scene. If you consider something in part 1, they let you explore the churches and they did the interiors pretty well, now you can't, but they added a synagogue and get gay romance, get lectured on your culture by a token character, you kill other Christians to save jews as a main quest, both the diversity characters are important and unkillable etc.

All these intersectionalities come together to make a complete package. Almost like a troll game design and they laugh about it. I saw a thread where the main not-gay romance option is supposedly a single mother that cheats on you with Musa haha (interacial cuckery with the only black character?). If that's not a troll job I don't know what is hhh.

[Ghannon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von H-Foundry PIXIV:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Patola Linux:

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Yes, don't give an inch.

They took part 1 and just used part 2 as a subversive vehicle and there's quite a lot of it that's not in your face, not just the gay scene. If you consider something in part 1, they let you explore the churches and they did the interiors pretty well, now you can't, but they added a synagogue and get gay romance, get lectured on your culture by a token character, you kill other Christians to save jews as a main quest, both the diversity characters are important and unkillable etc.

All these intersectionalities come together to make a complete package. Almost like a troll game design and they laugh about it. I saw a thread where the main not-gay romance option is supposedly a single mother that cheats on you with Musa haha (interacial cuckery with the only black character?). If that's not a troll job I don't know what is hhh.

Don't forget the strong girl boss with an attitude, whose master plan was to pretend she didn’t know who Henry was, so she could act as an undercover agent and rescue the incompetent men who got themselves captured and interrogated.

[Dom the otaku gamer]

I think it's woke as hell.

[᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ghannon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von H-Foundry PIXIV:

Yes, don't give an inch.

They took part 1 and just used part 2 as a subversive vehicle and there's quite a lot of it that's not in your face, not just the gay scene. If you consider something in part 1, they let you explore the churches and they did the interiors pretty well, now you can't, but they added a synagogue and get gay romance, get lectured on your culture by a token character, you kill other Christians to save jews as a main quest, both the diversity characters are important and unkillable etc.

All these intersectionalities come together to make a complete package. Almost like a troll game design and they laugh about it. I saw a thread where the main not-gay romance option is supposedly a single mother that cheats on you with Musa haha (interacial cuckery with the only black character?). If that's not a troll job I don't know what is hhh.

Don't forget the strong girl boss with an attitude, whose master plan was to pretend she didn’t know who Henry was, so she could act as an undercover agent and rescue the incompetent men who got themselves captured and interrogated.

who wrote the entire game story??? this is worse than a fanfiction!

[Darrrreee]

Game is garbage, worse than shadows tbh. Any anti-woke group that doesn't consider the game woke is not a serious group.

[᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Darrrreee:

Game is garbage, worse than shadows tbh. Any anti-woke group that doesn't consider the game woke is not a serious group.

he is right, why hasn't Furin added the game to the list yet?

[Darrrreee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von pleb84:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Darrrreee:

Game is garbage, worse than shadows tbh. Any anti-woke group that doesn't consider the game woke is not a serious group.

he is right, why hasn't Furin added the game to the list yet?

I thought he already had tbh. Maybe somebody can msg him about it?

[› Furin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Darrrreee:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von pleb84:

he is right, why hasn't Furin added the game to the list yet?

I thought he already had tbh. Maybe somebody can msg him about it?

I'm still in the process of reviewing this game. I'm planning on posting a detailed write-up in this thread when I add the review.

While I haven't yet finished going through the whole thing, I have seen enough so far to say this game will be added as not recommended.