Kingdom Come Deliverance 2

[󠀡󠀡Ghannon]

Does this qualify Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 as woke?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1771300/discussions/0/507318096807138779/

[› Furin]

Not in and of itself, though it is good information to know. Thanks!

Our reviews are based on what is in the actual game.

[󠀡󠀡Ghannon]

ENDYMIONtv mentions that Warhorse Studios is owned by Plaion, which is the company responsible for managing community content and interactions.

As for the gameplay itself:
"Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 Banned in Saudi Arabia Due to ‘Unskippable’ LGBTQ Scenes, It’s Claimed"
https://insider-gaming.com/kingdom-come-deliverance-2-banned-saudi-claim/

"Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Creative Director Confirms Homosexual Scene In Game"
https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/kingdom-come-deliverance-ii-creative-3b7?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

[Lordofriva]

We are also debating this on RPGHQ and came to the conclusion that we do not have sufficient evidence to make a claim at this point in time. The way the answers by the developers are written raise a lot of Red flags though.

As Furin said we base the recommendations on the content of the game not assumptions as we strife for objectivity.

On a personal level I will not purchase Day 1 as planned and wait and recommend everyone interested in this topic to do so as well until we have confirmation, from what I am seeing woke infection is basically confirmed already but again this is not relevant for the List as of now. Though I'm guessing it is pretty likely that it will end up in one of the two categories we use to inform people about woke content.

[PavelH]

Nah, that's not a real Dev but a commie the publisher hired. Whether the game will be woke or not? Let people play the game for a few hours and we will know the answer. I am generally a fan of the main Dev as he made Mafia 1 and 2 which are the most normal games possible (rather than being explicit anti-woke, conservatism should be about normality and its enforcement). I say let the game come out and we get the first reports of how the it is. Woke games usually are a dead giveaway within 2-3 hours as they want to virtue signal as soon as possible.

[󠀡󠀡Ghannon]

Originally posted by Lordofriva:

We are also debating this on RPGHQ and came to the conclusion that we do not have sufficient evidence to make a claim at this point in time. The way the answers by the developers are written raise a lot of Red flags though.

As Furin said we base the recommendations on the content of the game not assumptions as we strife for objectivity.

On a personal level I will not purchase Day 1 as planned and wait and recommend everyone interested in this topic to do so as well until we have confirmation, from what I am seeing woke infection is basically confirmed already but again this is not relevant for the List as of now. Though I'm guessing it is pretty likely that it will end up in one of the two categories we use to inform people about woke content.

I agree that there is a lack of sufficient evidence. It is possible that there are some poor translations and miscommunications.

I was anticipating a response like this after I reviewed a bit more of the situation.

[Patola [Linux]]

Originally posted by gy7e46g645g:

KC1 had a gay character, so I've heard. They had a woman's DLC for KC1. Also, the dev looks like a beta.

A gay antagonist. For the current woke mentality, anything that puts gay people (or any minority) in a bad light, like being a villain or being weak, is bad. So I would say the portrayal of the gay antagonist in Kingdom Come: Deliverance in is even slightly anti-woke.
As for the A Woman's Lot DLC, I don't think it frames Theresa as a champion of modern feminism, it just fleshes her out a bit more and shows her own struggles to get along in such a primitive society. I might be wrong because I did not finish the DLC, I found it boring.

[Bullpup]

At some point in this pendulum swing-back, we'll have to ask ourselves how zealous and puritanical we want to end up being.

Do we really want to condemn anything with a hint of woke so we end up with entertainment that feels like it's from 1950?

[᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼᲼]

Originally posted by gy7e46g645g:

KC1 had a gay character, so I've heard. They had a woman's DLC for KC1. Also, the dev looks like a beta.

When in doubt ask good ol' Jesse...
https://youtube.com/shorts/Frkdpe7obDA?si=zorY2_s9o4szOcYv

[PavelH]

Originally posted by Bullpup:

At some point in this pendulum swing-back, we'll have to ask ourselves how zealous and puritanical we want to end up being.

Do we really want to condemn anything with a hint of woke so we end up with entertainment that feels like it's from 1950?

Precisely why people should wait for reviews. However, customers have a right to be informed and then they can make up their mind before spending money. We're lacking openness from the industry on the one hand and because they have spent the last 10 years hiring left wing activists destroying most franchises, they don't have the benefit of the doubt. The games which are woke and good are so few and far between that we rightly are sceptical about any hint of wokeness. As for KCD2, I doubt it will be woke but we have to wait and see and don't preorder, as always.

[󠀡󠀡Ghannon]

Originally posted by Bullpup:

At some point in this pendulum swing-back, we'll have to ask ourselves how zealous and puritanical we want to end up being.

Do we really want to condemn anything with a hint of woke so we end up with entertainment that feels like it's from 1950?

I would love to play a game with 1950s morality. Fuck feminism, LGBTQ, and equality in general.

Childless boss babes are useless to society, homosexuals belong in a loony bin, and multi-racial nations are inherently unsustainable, as racial differences are biological, not social.

[Patola [Linux]]

Originally posted by Ghannon:

Fuck feminism, LGBTQ, and equality in general

I'm all for equality (of opportunities). But I oppose equity, the E in DEI. It means enforced equality of results.

[󠀡󠀡Ghannon]

Originally posted by Patola Linux:

Originally posted by Ghannon:

Fuck feminism, LGBTQ, and equality in general

I'm all for equality (of opportunities). But I oppose equity, the E in DEI. It means enforced equality of results.

If I was working as the hiring manager of a business and a woman applied for an interview, I would turn her around without even testing her capability.

Equality of opportunity is a contributing factor to low fertility rates. Women belong in the home and the community, not in an office.

[Lordofriva]

Game now confirmed Woke by the dev himself:

https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/1881081082612944935

"5/10 KCD is an RPG, you are responsible for your decisions. If you want Henry to try a same-sex adventure, feel free. If you don’t want to, you don’t have to. All affairs are (and were in KCD1) purely optional. The characters are perfectly aware, that it was a forbidden sin."

"7/10 Musa came to Bohemia with an invading army as a member of the royal court of King Sigismund, whom he met thanks to his engagement at the court of Sultan Bayezid. He's an educated noble and renaissance man from the Kingdom of Mali."

[󠀡󠀡Ghannon]

After reading over the developer's and Grummz's threads, I think the developers are sex-crazed freaks who likely have serious porn addictions.
https://x.com/Grummz/status/1881085647391437062

I thought RPGs were supposed to be about putting the player in the shoes of a character who is a product of their time, culture, and environment; not a Build-a-Bear workshop where the player molds a character to their liking.

[Skulls]

Originally posted by Lordofriva:

Game now confirmed Woke by the dev himself:

https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/1881081082612944935

"5/10 KCD is an RPG, you are responsible for your decisions. If you want Henry to try a same-sex adventure, feel free. If you don’t want to, you don’t have to. All affairs are (and were in KCD1) purely optional. The characters are perfectly aware, that it was a forbidden sin."

"7/10 Musa came to Bohemia with an invading army as a member of the royal court of King Sigismund, whom he met thanks to his engagement at the court of Sultan Bayezid. He's an educated noble and renaissance man from the Kingdom of Mali."

I wonder if there is a punishment in game if you try to be gay since it's recognized as a sin. If there was, would that still make it woke?