My two cents on the new chat ("Discord clone")

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I've had many issues with Steam's chat for a while so I am certainly happy that Valve is buffing it up. As many people are mentioning, though, it's starting to look like a Discord clone. This seems to be becoming a trend (see: Reddit's new chat function) and I don't want Valve to jump on.

With the resources and reputation Valve has, paired with Discord's current problem of trying to figure out how to monetize their creation (Discord Nitro obviously isn't profitable for them), I think either an acquisition or a partnership between Valve and Discord, in which Discord's chat feature is integrated with Steam, would be beneficial for Valve, Discord and us the consumer.

I'm sure it obviously isn't that simple. I just don't want to see the death of Discord because companies all make their own little knockoff. Discord is good because it is central. I have Discord servers for all my different interests and topics. I don't want to have to have a different application for each interest I have just to have a conversation in a chat room about it.

TL;DR: Valve should look into partnering with Discord and make that their chat function. Making a Discord clone just ruins things.

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Quote me where I said that you hate Steam, please.

Again; sorry but what you're saying is really just a personal nitpick and there is no point in discussing that.

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Queen Hyokkuda eredeti hozzászólása:

I see where you're going with that now. I know that despite Valve large amount of money, they can't seems to mainain a stable connection with the voice chat and text chat. But knowing Steam, they will never team-up with Discord. I don't think they ever teamed up with anyone. That's pretty much a dead suggestion already.

Well, everyone started leaving the group chat on Steam or they were completely ignoring what was going on in the group chat so I figured I had no other choices. It was multiple votes against mine for specific features Steam didn't have, including some lovely bugs where group chats are ghosted. And again the lovely connection.

_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

Once again, you're making very absent minded assumptions. I never 'left Steam for Discord'. Steam's chat feature was underdeveloped from the beginning, before Discord I used Skype to communicate with my friends to play games or voice call. Once I found Discord it took Skype's place, not Steam's.

My problem with sites cloning Discord is not about the effect it has on Steam but on the fact that I'd need to check many different sites just to get what I currently get from Discord - all my servers in one place.

Yes, Steam just changed their UI. I'm not suggesting that this is a bad thing nor that it's a new thing. I'm simply saying that the direction that they're taking with their new chat is very similar to some things other companies are doing to fill the space Discord is currently filling.

To reiterate, since you're not getting this: I have no problem with Steam's current features nor whether or not it's cloning Discord or not. That's not the inherent problem. My problem is that I don't want to have to juggle each app just to do what I do with Discord currently.

You were not forced to use Discord. Nobody tells you to use Discord. If you don't like using it, don't. Discord very clearly has a lot more features that make group chats with it more enjoyable than with Steam, but if you don't want to use Discord I doubt anybody will fault you for DMing them with Steam.

Valve have, in the past, outright bought companies (such as Campo Santo) just game studios, not applications. I have hope but I was aware from before posting this it's unlikely, just wanted to put out my opinion.

I don't really see much wrong with using Discord so I can't relate, but I'm sure if you explained that you don't want to use it people would oblige to using a Steam group chat in unison with their server.

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Penemue eredeti hozzászólása:

Quote me where I said that you hate Steam, please.

Again; sorry but what you're saying is really just a personal nitpick and there is no point in discussing that.

You told me not to use the Steam chat if I don't like it. I don't dislike it, as I've repeated over and over.

And you're still not understanding. The 'personal nitpick' is not the point of discussion, it's the concept of Discord integration into Steam, which you constantly seem to be missing.

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I'm not missing it, it just doesn't make any sense. If you want people to stay on that point, don't say ridiculous things like "Discord clone".

"I'm saying that I don't want every website to clone Discord to a point where I need to open each different application and website just to get what I currently get from Discord."

Did you not use Steam Chat alongside Discord before? Since you have a Steam account, that question just answers itself. So, what's really going to change now?

[【-HΘH-】S☡ƳMΞK７７７]

I was thinking it's discord clone immediately when i saw this beta client for the first time :D

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Penemue eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm not missing it, it just doesn't make any sense. If you want people to stay on that point, don't say ridiculous things like "Discord clone".

"I'm saying that I don't want every website to clone Discord to a point where I need to open each different application and website just to get what I currently get from Discord."

Did you not use Steam Chat alongside Discord before? Since you have a Steam account, that question just answers itself. So, what's really going to change now?

People are asking me to expand on my point, so I do. That doesn't change the point of this thread.

And, no, I didn't use Steam's chat alongside Discord. The only time I had the chat open would be game invites, and that's literally because the chat window opens if you get sent a game invite. I never message people with it.

And, once again, I'm not suggesting anything is different, once again. You tell me that you're not missing the point but you continue to assume stupid things about my points after I've explained repeatedly.

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_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

Penemue eredeti hozzászólása:

If your only point is that it's going to be a bother swapping between multiple clients to chat, like you're saying other people to not use Discord if they don't like it, don't use Steam Chat if you don't like it.

Sorry but what you're saying is really just a personal nitpick and there is no point in discussing that.

You really aren't understanding my point, are you? Stop assuming that I hate Steam or some ♥♥♥♥, because I haven't said that. The point of my post is that I don't want other companies to have their own version of Discord within their application, and as a result I suggest that Discord and Valve should work together. I never said that I don't like the Steam chat.

your idea is ♥♥♥♥ because discord are making millions from data mining

_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

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So Valve shouldn't update it's platform?

None of the features in Discord are revolutionary. Most of them were seen in Slack and there is a reason for that; they are features that just make sense for a chat platform to have.

I would pick Valve over Discord any day. Discord can not pay upkeep for its services without gathering and processing user data. Eventually, they will sell out and move on. Valve is much more reliable and less dependant on user data - hence chat logs are only kept for 2 weeks.

When did I say that the new chat is a bad thing? I started the post by saying that I'm glad that the chat is being updated.

This isn't about choosing sides. It's that companies are trying to fill the space Discord is currently filling and I'm personally saying that I'd rather use Discord because it is central. I don't want to have to check Reddit, Discord and Steam just to get what I currently get with Discord.

Yes, Discord cannot pay to keep itself open, which is why this is my proposal. Mutually beneficial - Steam get Discord's userbase & features, while Discord get money to monetise their product.

Queen Hyokkuda eredeti hozzászólása:

Exactly! That's another thing I fear because Discord doesn't make money aside from people using Nitro and I doubt that's enough for them to keep up with their services. So I don't see how that's Valve's business to give them a hand.

Discord aren't selling people's data. They're currently figuring out how to monetize Discord because, yes, Nitro isn't enough. And I never suggested it's anything to do with Valve, I'm simply stating that my idea is mutually beneficial for both Valve and Discord. I'm not suggesting that this is even likely to happen - I don't think either company plan to have anything to do with each other. It's but an idea.

Yes they are they got $20 million investments from datamining companies

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_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

You really aren't understanding my point, are you? Stop assuming that I hate Steam or some ♥♥♥♥, because I haven't said that. The point of my post is that I don't want other companies to have their own version of Discord within their application, and as a result I suggest that Discord and Valve should work together. I never said that I don't like the Steam chat.

your idea is ♥♥♥♥ because discord are making millions from data mining

_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

When did I say that the new chat is a bad thing? I started the post by saying that I'm glad that the chat is being updated.

This isn't about choosing sides. It's that companies are trying to fill the space Discord is currently filling and I'm personally saying that I'd rather use Discord because it is central. I don't want to have to check Reddit, Discord and Steam just to get what I currently get with Discord.

Yes, Discord cannot pay to keep itself open, which is why this is my proposal. Mutually beneficial - Steam get Discord's userbase & features, while Discord get money to monetise their product.





Discord aren't selling people's data. They're currently figuring out how to monetize Discord because, yes, Nitro isn't enough. And I never suggested it's anything to do with Valve, I'm simply stating that my idea is mutually beneficial for both Valve and Discord. I'm not suggesting that this is even likely to happen - I don't think either company plan to have anything to do with each other. It's but an idea.

Yes they are they got $20 million investments from datamining companies

Please give me your evidence of a) Discord selling user data and b) any sort of profit being made off of the application. I assure you neither of these are happening.

[Hyokkuda]

Well, for a while I didn't have two monitors. I was using the Steam overlay very frequently, so tabbing in and out of a game in full screen screen mode just to read the chat sounded like a pain in the butt. For a while, I had to use my phone as a second monitor just to read stuff on Discord while I was in-game and replying to people on a phone was slow and boring. I couldn't risk to tab out of a game just to reply to a message, not every games likes it when you do that. So that was my biggest concern and the only reason why I didn't like the idea of moving to Discord.

However, we were all complaining about specific bugs that the group chat had. Ghosted group chat, lack of channels and disconnection either because of a maintenance or because the server is having a seizure since so many people uses Steam. And honestly, I had to agree with some of their reasons. Having our own emotes in the chat is a lot of fun and that's hard to beat! The mention feature, the way you can organize the server, the chat history, the ability to upload images. It was hard to debate against my simple reason of having a hard time multi-tasking and I didn't want to be selfish about it since it seems I was taking part of a small group of people who didn't want to use Discord for that simple reason as well. A few others was because they didn't want to use the voice chat, but they eventually moved in anyway because we were so inactive in the Steam group and they realized they don't have to use the voice chat after all.

Anyway, I still use both today. Whenever someone want to message me directly, they use Steam. But when something is not important but still related to me, they use Discord and they know I will read it later and I'm fine with that at this point.

_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't really see much wrong with using Discord so I can't relate, but I'm sure if you explained that you don't want to use it people would oblige to using a Steam group chat in unison with their server.

[Malala]

_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

ニガー殺し eredeti hozzászólása:

your idea is ♥♥♥♥ because discord are making millions from data mining


Yes they are they got $20 million investments from datamining companies

Please give me your evidence of a) Discord selling user data and b) any sort of profit being made off of the application. I assure you neither of these are happening.

https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html

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Queen Hyokkuda eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, for a while I didn't have two monitors. I was using the Steam overlay very frequently, so tabbing in and out of a game in full screen screen mode just to read the chat sounded like a pain in the butt. For a while, I had to use my phone as a second monitor just to read stuff on Discord while I was in-game and replying to people on a phone was slow and boring. I couldn't risk to tab out of a game just to reply to a message, not every games likes it when you do that. So that was my biggest concern and the only reason why I didn't like the idea of moving to Discord.

However, we were all complaining about specific bugs that the group chat had. Ghosted group chat, lack of channels and disconnection either because of a maintenance or because the server is having a seizure since so many people uses Steam. And honestly, I had to agree with some of their reasons. Having our own emotes in the chat is a lot of fun and that's hard to beat! The mention feature, the way you can organize the server, the chat history, the ability to upload images. It was hard to debate against my simple reason of having a hard time multi-tasking and I didn't want to be selfish about it since it seems I was taking part of a small group of people who didn't want to use Discord for that simple reason as well. A few others was because they didn't want to use the voice chat, but they eventually moved in anyway because we were so inactive in the Steam group and they realized they don't have to use the voice chat after all.

Anyway, I still use both today. Whenever someone want to message me directly, they use Steam. But when something is not important but still related to me, they use Discord and they know I will read it later and I'm fine with that at this point.

_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't really see much wrong with using Discord so I can't relate, but I'm sure if you explained that you don't want to use it people would oblige to using a Steam group chat in unison with their server.

See, this is why my idea is perfect. If you enjoy Discord for its features and enjoy Steam for its availability while playing a game, by Valve integrating Discord into Steam, that'd mix both of them and solve your problem.

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_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

Please give me your evidence of a) Discord selling user data and b) any sort of profit being made off of the application. I assure you neither of these are happening.

https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html

That site is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You are aware that, for Discord to give you your chat history, it needs to log these things. I have still yet to see direct proof that the info that they log (for genuine reasons, mind you) is being sold to anybody. Being given to the government, sure, that happens to make sense? That doesn't in any way mean that they're selling your data.

Why does it log open programs? So it can display your currently playing games. The person that wrote this article has something against Discord and is trying to convince people it's spyware. That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Malala]

_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

ニガー殺し eredeti hozzászólása:

https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html

That site is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You are aware that, for Discord to give you your chat history, it needs to log these things. I have still yet to see direct proof that the info that they log (for genuine reasons, mind you) is being sold to anybody. Being given to the government, sure, that happens to make sense? That doesn't in any way mean that they're selling your data.

you clearly never checked the extra links in the article

[Hyokkuda]

This website doesn't look legit to be honest. If what they share is true, they really need to work on their web design if they want to be taken seriously about what they're displaying. That's so 1995 right there...

ニガー殺し eredeti hozzászólása:

https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html

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ニガー殺し eredeti hozzászólása:

_BillCipher | ScrapTF eredeti hozzászólása:

That site is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You are aware that, for Discord to give you your chat history, it needs to log these things. I have still yet to see direct proof that the info that they log (for genuine reasons, mind you) is being sold to anybody. Being given to the government, sure, that happens to make sense? That doesn't in any way mean that they're selling your data.

you clearly never checked the extra links in the article

Everything I see is repeating the same ♥♥♥♥ inside of the article. Falsely accusing Discord of spyware because it has features.

Why does it log open programs? So it can display your currently playing games.

Discord isn't making any money period. This doesn't mean that it is selling your data, it means that it just isn't making money yet. Twitter didn't make profit until very recently, it is simply relying on raised funds through investment until it figures out how to make profit.