Looking for a New Platform (Steam Sucks)

[Cameron]

Steam used to be good, it's starting to lose me. It uses up so many resources for stupidity such as stickers and backgrounds, ♥♥♥♥ nobody cares about but for some reason steam thinks they do.

Anyways this used to be a good platform, but when a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ platform that literally, the only reason I use it is to play games, is taking up 500mb of ram and 3% of my cpu for some reason idling, it becomes a bit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ obnoxious.

Not to mention the Steam Crashes and disconnects.

It's so bad. Like why is steam so trash now. For stickers and ♥♥♥♥. Oh yeah, I want 500mb used for some reason, and in return you can give me ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stickers.

It's so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cancer, what are you guys thinking?

I'm looking for a new platform to play games on, this one has lost its identity, it's all confused, thinks this is facebook or something.

[mm.324]

This is what happens when the marketing department is given too much power. Real gamers don't want resources wasted on all this "flashy" junk. They want their PC's resources used for playing their games.

[Cameron]

Yea I know, Steam thinks people buy gaming PC's to look at virtual trading cards and stickers tho.

Get your ♥♥♥♥ together steam, if you wanna do this BS for obscure people that get into these things, then have a lightweight client, and then an aids client for stickers.

Not that hard.

Your gonna start losing customers. Like last year steams been pissing me off. I've been customer of Steam since I installed CS Source when I was like 13, and I'm ready to abandon the platform.

Do a lightweight client.

[Amt]

I have been here for more than a decade and I must agree with you. I have stopped purchasing games here myself. I have also stopped looking at my library and I have decided to switch to small mode whenever I install / uninstall games so I avoid looking at the new library. Much better than risk getting spoilers from friends that don't mean to (basically community feed but from friends only instead, and it can't be disabled) + avoid "What's New" + to avoid eyesores.

It's never too late to switch to somewhere else. This guy (or gal? idk) has a pretty good list of alternatives to Steam: https://steamcommunity.com/id/quintlindwurm

Myself, I recommend "bigfishgames" (BFG) for games like "Virtual Villagers" (VV). Their launcher is far superior to Steam as you can completely hide it using its own official options, and unlike today's Steam, it's very lightweight. I think it's better to buy DRM-free (the developers of VV have their own website where you can buy the game DRM-free), but like Steam, BFG have sales every once in a while, and their launcher is the best I have used. Just make sure to read everything on the screen before you buy; they sadly have a bad habit of making you a paid member of their website, but that is easy to unsub from, and you are well informed of it and how to unsub, so it's not really a problem if you have your eyes open when you buy.

[Cameron]

Thank you for posting the list, I'm definitely going to check out some of those platforms.

The things I use in steam are

- The Store / Reviews
- Add/Remove friends + Chat
- Invite to lobby
- Launching games
- Marketplace
- Mod support
-Achievements
-Forums
-Launch Settings
-Profiles

I'm probably forgetting some things, but every other aspect of this platform, I would consider personally as aids.

-Stickers
-Crashes
-Uses up too much memory idling
-Overlay lags out my computer, never used too, chatting with friends now aids in game, takes to long to do using the steam client, to slow.
-Backgrounds
-Trading Cards
-Everything on my games list that isn't a game
-Everything under the tab that has your name except your profile and inventory
-Steam web browser (just launch default browser your browser sucks ass)

The 2nd list would be my personal list of cuts, if they entertained the idea of making a light version, and the 1st list would be the features that I would find essential.

[Thudball LeStudd]

What a relief! I was afraid to speak up and get banned again... Thanks for expressing my exact thoughts!

[Cameron]

In the light weight version I'd use folders instead of collections too, idk what collections are, you mean folders?

Okay make them folders, idk wtf a collection is. I thought I was using a computer not playing with pogs.

[honx]

i also hate this ugly unusable cluttered ads-infested ram-eating BLOATWARE fisher-price "ui" for mobile phone kiddies. unfortunateley i don't have the balls to try the new hack which claims to be able to restore old (good) client. :(

[Acubens]

Originally posted by Backpackface:

Thank you for posting the list, I'm definitely going to check out some of those platforms.

The things I use in steam are

- The Store / Reviews
- Add/Remove friends + Chat
- Invite to lobby
- Launching games
- Marketplace
- Mod support
-Achievements
-Forums
-Launch Settings
-Profiles

I'm probably forgetting some things, but every other aspect of this platform, I would consider personally as aids.

-Stickers
-Crashes
-Uses up too much memory idling
-Overlay lags out my computer, never used too, chatting with friends now aids in game, takes to long to do using the steam client, to slow.
-Backgrounds
-Trading Cards
-Everything on my games list that isn't a game
-Everything under the tab that has your name except your profile and inventory
-Steam web browser (just launch default browser your browser sucks ass)

The 2nd list would be my personal list of cuts, if they entertained the idea of making a light version, and the 1st list would be the features that I would find essential.

I agree with the "aids" client part, but you already use too much. Some of these things need Chromium embedded in Steam. Try using Steam -nobrowser in Smallmode and notice how you'd deal with a client with no browser integrated. It's much lighter, but many stuff (INCLUDING UNINSTALLS) are non-functional.
I use Steam only to launch games, and I can affirm that 1 gb + cpu spikes that affect in-game performance wasted on the Steam client is offensive to me and gaming community.
So, when I want to use Marketplace or Forums, I just launch my browser, instead of having a f#in browser loaded in Steam always, as is.

[muffins]

Originally posted by Backpackface:

I'm looking for a new platform to play games on, this one has lost its identity, it's all confused, thinks this is facebook or something.

I personally use Playnite, which is a standalone library program which is fully customisable and has all three of the old Steam library views, and Gog Galaxy 2 as library and store. Epic is ok if you want a smaller choice of higher quality games in their store. Their library is "meh" tier but it's still better than Steam.

[Cameron]

Steam the verdict is out, your platform sucks ass stop wasting time with random "features".

Make the client run better, runs like trash.

....and for stickers of all things.

[Potassium Ion]

The ideal situation would be a modular client, where you can turn on and off the features you don't use. For example I would enable the library, big picture mode, the overlay, and controller support, as well as all of the steam API features of course.

But this is wishful thinking of course. Implementing something like this isn't always as easy as it seems, and it can complicate debugging and QA (which we desperately need more of), and often isn't perceived by any company as worth the effort involved.

[Cameron]

Originally posted by Potassium Ion:

The ideal situation would be a modular client, where you can turn on and off the features you don't use. For example I would enable the library, big picture mode, the overlay, and controller support, as well as all of the steam API features of course.

But this is wishful thinking of course. Implementing something like this isn't always as easy as it seems, and it can complicate debugging and QA (which we desperately need more of), and often isn't perceived by any company as worth the effort involved.

Yea a modular client I would like better actually then my suggestion of a lightweight client. That would be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better if they did that.

Also @Steam, usually when people making threads with the words "aids" and "cancer" in there post, and nobody is rattled, and there all like yea, sounds about right.

You know ♥♥♥♥♥ all ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

[Acubens]

The thing is
Even being "MODULAR"
There are features that NEED Chromium
And features that DON'T NEED Chromium

That is the current and probably permanent level of modularity

YOU use LOTS of features that NEED Chromium
If you NEED a feature that needs Chromium, you're fated to use the crapware bloatware full client.

Browsing the store, market, new Library and parts of the new Overlay use Chromium, as the current UNINSTALL in smallmode (OMFG I hate the idiot that removed the old uninstall code)

Smallmode otherwise works perfectly without Cromium

I mean, OR YOU RUN A BROWSER AND HAVE A BLOATED CLIENT OR YOU DON'T RUN A BROWSER AND HAVE A LIGHT CLIENT

I, personally, don't want to run a browser when I play. Even giving up Uninstall, that worked correctly with -no-browser until after beta.

Can you adapt to run Steam with -no-browser?

[Cameron]

Originally posted by Acubens:

The thing is
Even being "MODULAR"
There are features that NEED Chromium
And features that DON'T NEED Chromium

That is the current and probably permanent level of modularity

You use LOTS of features that NEED Chromium
If you NEED a feature that needs Chromium, you're fated to use the crapware bloatware full client.

Can you adapt to run Steam with -no-browser?

I feel like they have hordes of money, they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, and should redevelop a version that doesn't require chromium if that's the case.

That's my personal belief though, when your sitting on billions of dollars, I expect things to be done properly.

Like is it a defence, for steam, to say well we designed our client to need chromium, and if we disable it all our features stop working...

Is that really a defence?

I don't have a lot of empathy with steam, if the reason there client runs like trash, is cause they designed it to require chromium, it's an obvious design flaw, fundamentally broken, and they should fix it (even if it means rebuilding from the ground up).

Or release a modular client or something to that effect, or even a lightweight client with NO chromium (if that is what is causing all the issues).

[Acubens]

Thing is, they took two years to come with the new crapware client, since 2018. It was a very small team, and according to Reddit sources, seemingly not a very competent / not as competent as the previous Steam team, with some members of the team that got their job due to "contacts" / nepotism, and that explains much on why the Steam client is soooo crappy. So, it is IMPOSSIBLE to build a new client with all the features you want without relying on Chromium, unless somehow Valve were able to re-aquire the previous programmers and made an investment similar to what would be invested in, say, Halflife 3. That would have little returns in that investment, and would be hell to update and modify. Any trained monkey can deal with a Chromium-based client, but you need MANY hours of top (EXPENSIVE) brains to create an optimized client as efficient as Steam was seven years ago or so.

I'd like to have a switch to just shutdown Chromium when I don't want it, and the working Uninstall without Chromium code, that exists, but probably no currently contracted Valve programmer understands that code... And they are seemingly unable to do it to satisfy the huge amount of whiners like me that posted in the biggest thread on this forum.