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again a view thats been disproven over and over, just cuz posts that show up are detailed to games in your library doesnt mean there isnt plenty for them to advertise to you, theres been posts on posts of Sales for Microtransactions, or postings that new Lootboxes / Microtransactions are showing up in in-game stores, or sales on subscription services for games etc.
if you really dont think theres ads in Whats New then you are the type of user this shelf was made for, not only that but a lot of its sponsored content, random posts about info thats not really an event, update, or announcement, just meant to get the impulsive users thoughts on the game and hopefully playing or patronizing it
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and no you cant "legitimately" hide posts from games you dont want or at least not reasonably, the Show Less option doesnt make them not show up, if anything just less show up so you wont complain they are forced, and the only way to actually hide them is going to the games store page and clicking the Ignore button
which is BS cuz they purposely picked the most complicated and cumbersome way for users to stop the posts knowing that a majority of users just wouldnt go through with it, if they could make the new settings page for Whats New they could have just as easily made it an Include / Exclude list so you can manage what games show up right there, or just added a simple 0 / 1 off switch so ppl can turn it off like they have asked from day 1
That's not a comparison, the difference between ads and news/updates is that ads will show to everyone. doesn't matter if you own it or not. They want the general public to enjoy that product.
Updates/news can be about microtransactions but that's about a game you already own. Its just telling users hey, this is a new item we added. could cost IRL money but it's still an update. If it about promoting another game, it's mostly about promotional items you can get in this game to support the next or older games.
Such as what rust did with the arcade machines to there older / newer games and what tf2 did to promote portal or CSGO. It's not an add when it's talking about something new within the game itself. That's the biggest difference, ads are meant to get someone on a new product. Updates show whats been added on the game or whatever event the game can do.
I was spammed with lots of stuff from the world of tanks etc. I just chose to show less and I haven't seen one since. Keep in mind the point of whats new is to show people games they own and the activity of what's going on to see if you forgot an old title that you may want to play through again.
There's this thing called target adverts. Can be targeted at owners or the general population. Happens over web browsers and will happen on TV's in the future...hell it already happens to some degree on some smart TV's.
exactly
no a msg posting about new microtransactions and things for you to buy in a game is an AD period, doesnt matter if you own the game its still advertising something for you to buy, just like if a commercial showed up on TV showing off the DLC missions and story for a game, you wouldnt say cuz you own the base game already that its not an ad to you, just cuz its updated into the game after release doesnt make any difference to the ppl that bought the base product, if anything that makes it worse, and you even say the word "promotionals" and promotionals by definition are ads that are giveaways meant to drive more attention then benefit they give out, or use some other thing crossed over into your thing to drive more attention
no ads arent only to get new ppl to a game or product they dont own, if you truly believe that then you are the type of person that companies and advertisers love, cuz they can appeal to the easiest without them even knowing whats happening, just like SM mentioned above with the Pepsi commercials, although i think you know better and are just refusing to acknowledge the ads but ehh whatever thats just me lol
doesnt matter if you have an option for Show Less either, anytime the information is posted and forced upon customers / users it pretty much ends up an ad cuz we cant control how much less it shows, of course actual updates and non ad info can be posted too, cuz even if its not selling you something they call it "Sponsored Content" where its a random info post meant to drive attention more than inform the customer about anything to try and get them thinking about the product in general, and OMG you even say it that they are meant to inform you about a old game thats changed and maybe you wanna play again, thats literally what an ad is for a reoccuring product or renewable product
its like your describing ads but then calling them not ads lol, so i guess im surprised your still trying to play it off like theres no ads mixed in with the few updates going through the WN shelf
its advertising anyway, and the problem isnt removing individual updates, but the placement of the section. whats the point of be forced to have that section always active, if we rarely care or are curious to read the updates? if we dont like it, or dont find useful to have it there, we should be able to remove it easily without hacks.
A simple "show or hide section" button in settings would be enough. Another way could be to have a "whats new" button somewhere in the main ui, so opening a wall of news would be easy, fast and without making visual noise.
This is the biggest issue here, either someone has a very good financial reason for keeping it regardless of customer complaints, or they are the most stubborn a-hole that ever lived and refuses to ever admit they are wrong.
Eitherway I'd be very surprised if Valve, after all this time, suddenly started listening to customers for once.
ya i would be really surprised if they all of a sudden just added it, im pretty sure they wont change their current path until the customers say nah F this and stop them by not buying, or i guess they could keep forcing it but then they would die off lol and i dont think they are that stubborn. . . are they?
although i guess we cant say Steam used to always listen to their customers, but at least they were the most open ended about it, already providing most of the necessary and luxury options users wanted and needed (like being able to stop updates for 1 of your games but still be able to launch and play the version you have), and watch the discussions to respond to reasonable feedback (or i guess they never really responded to feedback but they did at least address it when it was important)
so i get the feeling thats why this leaves such a bad taste with the customer, its what we would expect from Xbox or Playstation, or even Uplay etc. but not really something i saw coming from Steam, well the Steam from 2000 - 2012 or 2015 sometime cuz back around 2012 - 2015 i started to see the signs of them limiting functionality, like removing the most important update option and even now removing the Global do not update option, so things will only get worse unless users do something to say hey we arent going to stay if this keeps going cuz we know what your doing
Now seems Valve only cater about publishers, but customers are the ones who gives money to Steam.
I find really difficult to purchase games and DLC on Steam because everything is messy and confusing. Everytime i browse the shop i had the strange felling that Steam is more concerned to show me what Steam want me to purchase, and not what i really want and are searching for.
Not mentioning the new personal data request when purchasing a game. I find easier (and ofter more cheap) to just buy a Steam key from a different seller.
Valve is really, really shooting in his foot with all those unwanted and difficult to understand changes.
I understand that you might be ok with it, but not being able to tell the difference between ads and infos... wow... :(
Most "updates" from many games arent about bug fixes, extra content added in a patch and similar stuff: they are self-promotional, which is a type of advertising. Many of those updates are also about "promotions", which again, is advertising.
And you are right, those "news" can be hidden, but the section itself cant be easily turned off or removed, which is the point of the discussion. im ok with reading advertising from games sometimes, but i dont like to have the section always on: it should be a different space to where all news are, much like our individual profile pages, or our "inventory"; that would be far more useful and less annoying. Maybe the news could be displayed in blocks similar to how galleries work: that could allow us to browse a lot of stuff, and maybe help use find faster something we actually care to read.