Anyone following Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2?

[Oganesson.z118 👑]

I preordered the game with the intention of seeing what materialised at release. I intended not to play past Steam's 2 hour refund window until I felt that the content of the game was appropriate.

In actuality, on release day i played the first 2 hours and then consciously decided to continue playing because I was enjoying the game and I didn't see any particularly offensive content.

Without going into detail, it is now apparent to me that the content of the second game is quite different to KCD 1 - homosexual content, removal of churches, possible pedophila, constant swearing etc.

I have been continuing to play the game as I am past the return window on the basis that if I come across something I don't like to be exposed to I can always walk away.

The truth is though, that I feel ashamed playing the game; I feel like I have betrayed God because my money has funded the production of the aforementioned content and I don't feel like there is anything that I can do about that now.

They say it's a Role Playing Game and that I can decide my personal sexual preferences. In life, we have the choice to whether to follow God. The difference is that in life I'm not keeping myself pure whilst simultaneously funding sin. I feel like I've betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.

Anyone else considered this game?

[Gray Matter Guerrilla]

I've been following it and have some concerns about it. Kingdom Comes Deliverance 1 (KCD 1) was praised for being "based" but it seems they've added some "woke" into KCD 2.

The question is: how much "woke" and what kind? And by "woke", most people mean that to refer to anti-traditional lifestyles and politics, which often conflicts with Christian beliefs.

I'm actually interested in those details if you wouldn't mind expounding b/c I'm very much unsure if I want to spend $$'s on KCD 2 myself.

Ultimately, if you believe you shouldn't be playing it, then you should not play it. Don't violate your own conscious. It's that simple.

I can't find the website(s) that explains it better.... Creative or Chyatt, I think you have some good links on this subject?

[Mr_C_]

These links were footnotes in the Wikipedia article. Apparently, the big issue is with a gay character in the game--no other issue has been mentioned that I can find.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/kingdcom-come-deliverance-2-kcd2-lgbt-saudi-arabia-controversey/

https://www.thegamer.com/kingdom-come-deliverance-2-controversy-gamergate-dei-woke/

https://www.pcgamesn.com/kingdom-come-deliverance-2/preorder-backlash

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/kingdom-come-deliverance-2s-developer-is-fed-up-of-being-dragged-into-the-culture-war-it-seems-like-someone-is-always-trying-to-brand-us-somehow-and-we-are-just-trying-to-make-a-cool-videogame/

[Gray Matter Guerrilla]

I was meaning links in regards to violating one's conscious, lol. I didn't word it properly though; that's my fault.

Regardless, the homosexual bit was indeed one issue and the other pertains to a Muslim character. I've seen a lot of screen shots and that character does seem to preach to and insult the player in a number of ways (going so far as saying Islam treats women better, among others).

There are other issues that people bring up too, but I think those are the 2 biggest ones (but someone correct me if I'm wrong). I haven't played it; only seen videos and screen shots.

[NovaKing]

Yes, there is a gay encounter but its completely optional. Many dialogue options have a godly or christian tone to them, because being Christian in medieval Europe was pretty much forced, depending where you were of course. For example, say an NPC is grieving about a dead friend or family member, you can say things like "May God watch over and bless you in these times" or you can be a douche and say something like "well they had it coming." some options sound like Henry is a friar or something, he will comment on their sins and such. But if the POSSIBILTY of something ungodly happening in a VIDEO GAME bothers you, I dont think you should be on the internet. Not to mention feeling guilty to Jesus for doing ungodly things in a VIDEO GAME is a bit over the top don't you think? All in all, the KCD series is one of the most realistic depictions of medieval life and society Ive ever seen in a game. If you think theyre doing God some injustice, just look at the real life history behind the game. People were growing exponentially more suspicious of the Roman Catholic Church, especially in Bohemia because of Jan Hus. There is a lot of anti-catholic sentiment spouted throughout the game, but its realistic. People were tired of the corruption in the catholic church, so this game depicts the first sprouts of protestantism. Enjoy this masterpiece, and dont get your tightie whities in a knot. Peace

[Gray Matter Guerrilla]

Good, thought provoking article on conscious (and violation thereof):
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/is-it-a-sin-to-act-against-your-conscience/

Edit: not sure what happened to my links with better, in-depth texts on this.... if I find them, I'll post.

[Oganesson.z118 👑]

Originally posted by Gray Matter Guerrilla:

Ultimately, if you believe you shouldn't be playing it, then you should not play it. Don't violate your own conscious. It's that simple.

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my post – the reason I feel guilty playing the game is because it reminds me that I have funded media that has produced and included wilfully sinful content. Paying for the game is funding the production of homosexual porn. Content was purposefully injected into the game in order to besmirch it, or else you doubt the devil’s purpose here? I can’t refund the game, so I can’t do anything about it now.

Originally posted by NovaKing:

But if the POSSIBILTY of something ungodly happening in a VIDEO GAME bothers you, I dont think you should be on the internet. Not to mention feeling guilty to Jesus for doing ungodly things in a VIDEO GAME is a bit over the top don't you think?

As I stated in my original post, it is not the choice that is unacceptable to me, God gives us all such a choice in life – the issue is that in order to give us such a choice, sinful media has been produced by the developers and is financed by purchase of the game:

Originally posted by Oganesson.z118 👑:

They say it's a Role Playing Game and that I can decide my personal sexual preferences. In life, we have the choice to whether to follow God. The difference is that in life I'm not keeping myself pure whilst simultaneously funding sin.

All sin is of the heart. “But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”. It doesn’t matter whether you are playing a video game at the time, watching porn or in bed with another man’s wife.

An uncompromising position to sin will always seem over the top to the spiritually immature. Those who love Christ will become increasingly uncompromising in respect to sin as they walk with God and mature as Christians. They become this way out of a growing love for God and a growing hatred and rejection of sin.

Originally posted by Oganesson.z118 👑:

Without going into detail, it is now apparent to me that the content of the second game is quite different to KCD 1 - homosexual content, removal of churches, possible pedophila, constant swearing etc.

I am guessing that the homosexual sex sequence happens after you save Hans from being hanged and there is a heart symbol that appears to denote this option.

In the first map there is a chapel:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3428406537
And you can enter a small cemetery church, but is intentionally filled with trash:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3428407042
The second region has a large number of church buildings, usually in the middle of cemeteries. There is also a prominent cathedral in Kuttenburg. So far my exploration has revealed that you can’t enter any of these buildings, except one crypt beneath such a building that is just full of bones. The omission of the interiors of these buildings, especially the cathedral at the heart of Kuttenburg, that is the largest and most prominent building of the whole city, seems intentional. That comment also applies to the consequential quest lines that would have been associated with the interior and living environment of the churches.

Swearing is almost constant, although I acknowledge this may be an issue of conscience and discernment, so I offer the following as food for thought: “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” Ephesians 4:29

As for paedophilia in the game, what is clear is that, according to the first game birthdate (1388) and the second game year of events when the homosexual sequence occurs (1403), Hans Capon is 15 years old and is therefore a minor according to 21st century western law. I fear that this is just another step towards acclimatising our society to sin.

Originally posted by Gray Matter Guerrilla:

the other pertains to a Muslim character. I've seen a lot of screen shots and that character does seem to preach to and insult the player in a number of ways (going so far as saying Islam treats women better, among others).

I cannot comment on the Muslim character’s dialogue as I have not yet met him.

[Theophilus]

Originally posted by Oganesson.z118 👑:

And you can enter a small cemetery church, but is intentionally filled with trash:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3428407042

I believe that the "trash" you are referring to in this screenshot, are caskets, and accessories and/or parts of caskets, which are for burying the dead, as one would expect in a "cemetery church".

Anyway, I've seen enough here to stay away from the game, thank you and everyone else here for the information.

[Gray Matter Guerrilla]

Originally posted by Oganesson.z118 👑:

Originally posted by Gray Matter Guerrilla:

Ultimately, if you believe you shouldn't be playing it, then you should not play it. Don't violate your own conscious. It's that simple.

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my post – the reason I feel guilty playing the game is because it reminds me that I have funded media that has produced and included wilfully sinful content. It is the same as funding the production of homosexual porn. This content was purposefully injected into the game in order to besmirch it, or else you doubt the devil’s purpose here? I can’t refund the game, so I can’t do anything about it now.

If the issue is your money funding the game, then where is the line? If you've spent any money at all on any name brand (or even off-brand) products (i.e. cars, clothing, hygiene products, etc.), then you've funded companies/corporations who fund all sorts of unChristian things.

I don't believe God holds you accountable for all of *their* immoral actions. But, if you feel like you've violated your conscious on something, then yes, do not buy it or any other product. But to follow a strict code in accordance to that would mean living in a cave. I hope I'm making sense. Sin is all around you; Christians are in this world but not of it.

Anyhoo, not sure what else to tell you. If you feel guilty about it, then you feel guilty. Lesson learned I suppose: avoid that Dev.

Also, after talking with several people who have the game, they've told me that to get to the homosexual scene, one has to choose specific dialogues to reach that point. It's not forced upon the player (which is what I initially thought). I personally dislike it regardless, but will acknowledge that at least it's not like some games shoving it down your throat. If they're wrong about that, please say so.

edit: If/when you get to the Muslim character, I'd like to know your experience/opinion on it.