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AI Cheating or least feels like it
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tekki
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BRUTAL JOHN 2 Early Access OUT NOW! #13
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BRUTAL JOHN
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The Cheater Epidemic is out of control
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capybara
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Basic Troubleshooting!
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Paisley Popinjay
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The Cheater Epidemic is out of control
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capybara
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In this game, you're forced to play a cruel character?
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Lyote
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Vathek1:
โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BIG E.:
If you are saving human lives that are not tainted by heresy, YOU ARE DOING A DOGMATIC ACTION wether you like it or not.
And how do you know for certain these people are not tainted by heresy? Are you willing to bet the fate of an entire ship, an entire hive city district, a world, or even an entire subsector on that decision? Because the Ruinous Powers can be very insidious, and the taint of Chaos corruption can be most subtle. And if you're wrong, your mistake may result in something that will condemn millions, or maybe even billions of people to death, or worse.

You wouldn't be willing to take that risk, would you?You'd feel bad about it, but you'd hand that family of probably not-heretics-but-we-can't-be-100%-sure over to the forces of the Inquisition/Arbites/local enforcers/whoever's rounding up supposed heretics, knowing full well what would happen to them. You'd do that for the good of the larger community... and you'd really feel like groxshit when it turns out that those people you sent to torture and death really were innocent, and were actually framed by the real heretics, who are some pretty cunning Chaos cultists being supported by an Alpha Legion warband. They pulled off that whole thing to throw you off their trail.

Guess what, you're a Dogmatist and you not only failed to ave human lives not tainted by heresy, but you also condemned innocent people to horrific torture and death. And you were right to do so, according to the Imperial Creed. An Iconoclast would have been willing to take the risk that led to the whole mess and spare the potentially innocent people. A Heretic would either make the whole problem go away (by eliminating those who sought to persecute the supposed heretics, butchering the supposed heretics as sacrifices to the Ruinous Powers, or corrupting everyone else, including some of the enforcers, into bona fide heretics too).

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BIG E.:
IN FACT, if anything it is ecclesiarchy who often strays from dogma (ironicaly) and space marines are the ones who pull them in line when it happens.
It is better to die for the Emperor than live for yourself. Serve the Emperor today, for tomorrow, you might be dead.

Do those sound like the tenets of a creed that values individual human life, my friend? Or the ideals of a doctrine that focuses on saving life?

The Ecclesiarchy is the one who defines the dogma of the Imperial Creed. Ask yourself this--who holds more power in the Imperium? The Adeptus Astartes or the Adeptus Ministorum? With the exception of the Ultramarines, most Space Marine chapters don't control more than 1 planet. The Ecclesiarchy has entire planetary systems dedicated to just hosting its shrines. The Ecclesiarchy has its own private army in the form of the Adepta Sororitas and the Frateris militias (both of which exploit loopholes in the laws passed after Goge Vandire's reign of blood).

If the Ecclesiarchy stray from dogma, it is because they decide what the dogma is. The Space Marines certainly don't, because the Astartes were never made or intended to rule the Imperium.

Saving human lives isn't a dogmatic action when it comes at the cost of a more expedient solution to just let those people die (since their deaths won't affect the overall functioning of the ship, unit, or what not). The Imperial Creed is brutally utilitarian and though its goal is to preserve the human species, it does so with a focus on humanity as a whole. Individual people and individual lives (unless they are the lives of important and privileged officials) do not matter, since if they were virtuous souls, they'll be called to the Emperor's side after death (when in reality, all human souls just get dissolved in the Warp, good and evil alike).

When you go to Rykad immediately and get the escort from the real Private, you get a dialogue option at the ambush site that hammers home how the Imperium feels about innocence even before you get to Heinrix.

[Execute the Private] Better an innocent dies than a potential mole in the army.

Heinrix further reinforces it with "Innocence proves nothing"

The Inquisition can, will and regularly does kill large swathes of innocent civilians just because they happen to have been on a planet that suffered a Chaos invasion.

Hell, That was the entire premise for The Months of Shame, Great Knights and Inquisition vs the Space Wolves.

So yeah, essentially the Inquisition and the Imperial Creed itself is built around the concept of preserving Humanity, Not necessarily all Humans.
The "rabble" are seen as barely human by the upper echelons of the imperium and the Creed supports their worldview of being superior to them.

For the flame event specifically, It was most definitely dogmatic to disregard the survival chances of the deck crew and even of yourself, Given that among the Officers on the other side was the heir apparent to the Rogue Trader, someone of eminently more value than some deck enforcers lol.
Throw your faith at it for the noble goal of saving your betters.
Can't get more dogmatic than that XD
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capybara
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A real perfomance issue
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M.Kenny™
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F2P savings time mode soon?
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BeavisSaves
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what am I missing? This game is a bore
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Sox'n'Fox
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