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Fun game with some terrible design choices
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Автор сообщения: Kirellian
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Ashe's initial class works well (for me, not sure what you're doing). Him swapping into other classes (especially those with swords) works as well. What makes him shine is his ability to counter before an enemy attack, which of course is a "if I get it in my run" scenario, but isn't that the case for a lot of things in a roguelike? Before you say "I know how his kit works," think about how he can clear half a map in a single turn with the pre-counter and sword Altar of Fire blessing. If you still think he doesn't work, well then I don't know what to tell you. If you'd stop focusing on what you see as a negative and look for what makes it a positive, maybe you'd enjoy his class(es) more. Otherwise go play another roguelike that has story so you don't have to worry about mechanics?


> think about how he can clear half a map in a single turn

One specific map, one very specific encounter. That's what you base his entire "strength" off? On top of which I guarantee you've never played ultimate trial if that's what you think. The enemies don't fold like paper and die in one hit. No, not even the fallen. Currently, ultimate trial level requires a very specific comp and very specific accessories to clear and the biggest hindrance is Ashe. I wonder why that is. Couldn't be because he's locked out of several significant abilities or simply has no inherent passive which every other character does have, could it? :D

What's your playtime? I'm curious. :)
Ultimate trial does not require a very specific team composition at all. The only thing I would say might be necessary is having at least 1 character with a healing ability (and I count Triage as one of those healing abilities) - if you have literally no healing at all then it will probably be pretty rough... but it might be possible even then by abusing the fact that when your max health gets reduced to 1 you'll be healed to full, so if you have any way of stalling fights out like by surrounding an archer, blocking an enemy with stealthed characters, ranged taunt spam, or leaving a healer alive and attacking them each turn) then you can heal without a healer.

I was picking my teams semi-randomly (not really random, but leveling up character bonds and trying to fill out the skill/equipment codex which gave a wide variety of teams) and won 17/17 ultimate trial attempts.

I can't say I used a huge variety of accessories - there were a decent number of runs where some of my characters didn't even use their accesories though because I never felt pressured enough to need them, and I was never really "running out of uses" on them so I think there was a pretty healthy margin of error on that front.

I also generally consider Ashe to be an above average character in most of his classes - I think that most of the classes that replace one of their weapons with Ashe's bow are generally upgraded versions of the class, and even Ashe's base class is pretty strong. Bows are really strong (I even consider Elena okay even though almost all of her abilities are bad just because of her 4 range bow), especially with the greater blessing that makes bows deal 20 damage to surrounding enemies and immobilize them when they get a kill, which lets you turn your regular attack into a CC ability as long as you position your characters intelligently. Berserker and Archmage are probably a bit weaker than Marco/Laurent (but I think Marco and Laurent are also some of the stronger characters in the game so even a slightly weaker version of them is still quite strong), Justicar isn't that different from Rosalina, and I'd say sharpshooter is the only one where he's substantially weaker than Elena (mostly because he has 3 range while Elena has 4).
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★ Talon Knife | Crimson Web (Well-Worn)
★ Bloodhound Gloves | Bronzed (Minimal Wear)
★ Driver Gloves | King Snake (Battle-Scarred)
★ Bayonet | Black Laminate (Field-Tested)
★ M9 Bayonet | Ultraviolet (Field-Tested)
★ Sport Gloves | Bronze Morph (Minimal Wear)
M4A4 | Poseidon (Factory New)
★ Driver Gloves | Racing Green (Minimal Wear)
★ Huntsman Knife | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
★ Butterfly Knife | Forest DDPAT (Battle-Scarred)
★ Karambit | Scorched (Field-Tested)
★ Shadow Daggers | Doppler (Factory New)
★ M9 Bayonet | Lore (Field-Tested)
★ Talon Knife | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
Glock-18 | Fade (Factory New)
★ Paracord Knife | Case Hardened (Battle-Scarred)
★ Gut Knife | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Survival Knife | Crimson Web (Battle-Scarred)
★ StatTrak™ M9 Bayonet | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Moto Gloves | Polygon (Field-Tested)
★ StatTrak™ Bowie Knife | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Bowie Knife | Forest DDPAT (Field-Tested)
AK-47 | Hydroponic (Field-Tested)
★ StatTrak™ Kukri Knife | Stained (Battle-Scarred)
★ Flip Knife | Lore (Field-Tested)
★ Specialist Gloves | Marble Fade (Field-Tested)
★ Skeleton Knife | Marble Fade (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Bayonet | Blue Steel (Well-Worn)
★ Flip Knife | Forest DDPAT (Field-Tested)
★ Driver Gloves | Black Tie (Field-Tested)
StatTrak™ AK-47 | Vulcan (Minimal Wear)
★ Karambit | Lore (Battle-Scarred)
★ Specialist Gloves | Lt. Commander (Field-Tested)
★ Huntsman Knife | Stained (Field-Tested)
★ M9 Bayonet | Damascus Steel (Minimal Wear)
★ Navaja Knife | Case Hardened (Minimal Wear)
★ Moto Gloves | Blood Pressure (Well-Worn)
★ Hand Wraps | Duct Tape (Minimal Wear)
★ StatTrak™ M9 Bayonet | Damascus Steel (Field-Tested)
★ Talon Knife | Blue Steel (Battle-Scarred)
AWP | Fade (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Butterfly Knife | Lore (Minimal Wear)
★ Specialist Gloves | Emerald Web (Battle-Scarred)
★ Nomad Knife | Rust Coat (Battle-Scarred)
★ StatTrak™ Butterfly Knife | Safari Mesh (Battle-Scarred)
★ Karambit | Urban Masked (Field-Tested)
★ Bayonet
★ Driver Gloves | Crimson Weave (Minimal Wear)
★ Butterfly Knife | Freehand (Field-Tested)
★ Navaja Knife
★ Butterfly Knife | Urban Masked (Battle-Scarred)
★ Navaja Knife | Night Stripe (Field-Tested)
★ Nomad Knife | Scorched (Field-Tested)
M4A1-S | Blue Phosphor (Factory New)
★ Butterfly Knife | Night (Well-Worn)
★ Paracord Knife | Urban Masked (Field-Tested)
★ Classic Knife | Crimson Web (Field-Tested)
★ Sport Gloves | Nocts (Field-Tested)
★ Kukri Knife | Fade (Factory New)
★ Skeleton Knife | Blue Steel (Well-Worn)
★ Sport Gloves | Nocts (Minimal Wear)
★ Skeleton Knife | Case Hardened (Minimal Wear)
★ Bayonet | Fade (Factory New)
★ Sport Gloves | Omega (Field-Tested)
M4A1-S | Icarus Fell (Factory New)
★ Bayonet | Lore (Well-Worn)
★ Karambit | Fade (Factory New)
★ Karambit | Forest DDPAT (Well-Worn)
★ StatTrak™ Nomad Knife | Rust Coat (Battle-Scarred)
★ Karambit | Freehand (Field-Tested)
★ Falchion Knife | Rust Coat (Battle-Scarred)
★ Nomad Knife | Fade (Minimal Wear)
★ M9 Bayonet | Slaughter (Field-Tested)
★ Paracord Knife | Urban Masked (Battle-Scarred)
Desert Eagle | Sunset Storm 壱 (Field-Tested)
★ Paracord Knife
★ Butterfly Knife | Lore (Field-Tested)
★ Classic Knife | Case Hardened (Field-Tested)
★ StatTrak™ Skeleton Knife | Urban Masked (Field-Tested)
★ Specialist Gloves | Buckshot (Battle-Scarred)
★ Shadow Daggers | Safari Mesh (Field-Tested)
★ Karambit | Rust Coat (Battle-Scarred)
★ Sport Gloves | Bronze Morph (Field-Tested)
★ Stiletto Knife | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Shadow Daggers | Marble Fade (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Talon Knife | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
Desert Eagle | Printstream (Factory New)
★ Talon Knife | Marble Fade (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Bayonet | Fade (Factory New)
★ Talon Knife | Case Hardened (Field-Tested)
★ Hand Wraps | Cobalt Skulls (Minimal Wear)
★ Hand Wraps | Constrictor (Battle-Scarred)
★ Nomad Knife | Stained (Battle-Scarred)
★ Ursus Knife | Rust Coat (Battle-Scarred)
★ Karambit | Autotronic (Minimal Wear)
★ Gut Knife | Lore (Minimal Wear)
★ StatTrak™ M9 Bayonet | Lore (Field-Tested)
★ Butterfly Knife | Ultraviolet (Well-Worn)
★ Bayonet | Autotronic (Field-Tested)
★ Butterfly Knife | Night (Field-Tested)
★ Falchion Knife | Gamma Doppler (Factory New)
★ Huntsman Knife | Crimson Web (Field-Tested)
AWP | Lightning Strike (Factory New)
★ Classic Knife | Slaughter (Field-Tested)
★ Hand Wraps | Spruce DDPAT (Field-Tested)
★ Specialist Gloves | Field Agent (Battle-Scarred)
★ Karambit | Scorched (Well-Worn)
★ StatTrak™ Ursus Knife | Fade (Factory New)
★ Butterfly Knife | Safari Mesh (Field-Tested)
★ StatTrak™ Shadow Daggers | Boreal Forest (Field-Tested)
★ Butterfly Knife | Rust Coat (Battle-Scarred)
AK-47 | Frontside Misty (Factory New)
★ Bayonet | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Ursus Knife | Case Hardened (Field-Tested)
★ Ursus Knife | Slaughter (Field-Tested)
★ Butterfly Knife | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Navaja Knife | Rust Coat (Battle-Scarred)
★ Paracord Knife | Forest DDPAT (Field-Tested)
★ Bowie Knife | Slaughter (Factory New)
★ Butterfly Knife | Fade (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Survival Knife | Stained (Field-Tested)
★ Gut Knife | Bright Water (Minimal Wear)
Desert Eagle | Sunset Storm 弐 (Field-Tested)
★ Huntsman Knife | Urban Masked (Well-Worn)
★ Ursus Knife | Blue Steel (Field-Tested)
★ Talon Knife | Rust Coat (Battle-Scarred)
★ Shadow Daggers | Blue Steel (Field-Tested)
★ StatTrak™ Nomad Knife
★ StatTrak™ Nomad Knife | Fade (Factory New)
★ Navaja Knife | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Bayonet | Night (Field-Tested)
★ StatTrak™ M9 Bayonet | Autotronic (Field-Tested)
★ Karambit | Case Hardened (Well-Worn)
★ Classic Knife | Night Stripe (Field-Tested)
M4A1-S | Fade (Factory New)
★ Karambit | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Bowie Knife | Freehand (Field-Tested)
★ Skeleton Knife | Case Hardened (Battle-Scarred)
★ M9 Bayonet | Autotronic (Minimal Wear)
★ StatTrak™ Stiletto Knife | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
★ Survival Knife | Fade (Factory New)
★ Ursus Knife | Doppler (Minimal Wear)
★ Huntsman Knife | Black Laminate (Field-Tested)
★ Bowie Knife | Damascus Steel (Well-Worn)
AWP | Printstream (Minimal Wear)
★ Hand Wraps | Giraffe (Field-Tested)
★ Talon Knife | Marble Fade (Minimal Wear)
★ Talon Knife | Blue Steel (Minimal Wear)
★ Butterfly Knife | Night (Battle-Scarred)
★ Moto Gloves | Eclipse (Battle-Scarred)
★ Huntsman Knife | Slaughter (Field-Tested)
★ Driver Gloves | Lunar Weave (Field-Tested)
★ Ursus Knife | Ultraviolet (Minimal Wear)
★ Gut Knife | Gamma Doppler (Factory New)
AWP | Silk Tiger (Well-Worn)
★ StatTrak™ Karambit | Autotronic (Minimal Wear)
★ M9 Bayonet | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
★ Karambit | Black Laminate (Field-Tested)
★ Hand Wraps | Arboreal (Field-Tested)
★ Huntsman Knife | Boreal Forest (Field-Tested)
★ Specialist Gloves | Marble Fade (Well-Worn)
★ Stiletto Knife | Boreal Forest (Factory New)
★ M9 Bayonet | Bright Water (Field-Tested)
★ M9 Bayonet | Marble Fade (Factory New)
★ M9 Bayonet | Damascus Steel (Factory New)
★ Nomad Knife
★ Gut Knife | Slaughter (Field-Tested)
★ Specialist Gloves | Buckshot (Field-Tested)
★ Stiletto Knife | Fade (Factory New)
★ Flip Knife | Slaughter (Minimal Wear)
★ StatTrak™ Gut Knife | Safari Mesh (Field-Tested)
★ Skeleton Knife | Crimson Web (Minimal Wear)
AK-47 | X-Ray (Battle-Scarred)
★ Navaja Knife
★ StatTrak™ Talon Knife | Safari Mesh (Minimal Wear)
★ M9 Bayonet | Urban Masked (Minimal Wear)
★ Driver Gloves | Snow Leopard (Field-Tested)
★ Hand Wraps | Desert Shamagh (Field-Tested)
★ Bowie Knife | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Karambit | Black Laminate (Minimal Wear)
★ StatTrak™ Skeleton Knife | Blue Steel (Battle-Scarred)
★ StatTrak™ M9 Bayonet | Black Laminate (Field-Tested)
Glock-18 | Gamma Doppler (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Huntsman Knife | Lore (Battle-Scarred)
★ StatTrak™ M9 Bayonet | Marble Fade (Factory New)
★ Talon Knife | Damascus Steel (Field-Tested)
★ Skeleton Knife
★ StatTrak™ Flip Knife | Boreal Forest (Field-Tested)
★ Specialist Gloves | Foundation (Battle-Scarred)
★ Butterfly Knife | Slaughter (Field-Tested)
★ StatTrak™ Butterfly Knife | Freehand (Minimal Wear)
StatTrak™ AK-47 | Bloodsport (Field-Tested)
★ Driver Gloves | King Snake (Field-Tested)
★ M9 Bayonet | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Huntsman Knife | Damascus Steel (Factory New)
★ Butterfly Knife | Forest DDPAT (Field-Tested)
★ Skeleton Knife | Slaughter (Minimal Wear)
★ StatTrak™ Stiletto Knife | Ultraviolet (Field-Tested)
StatTrak™ AWP | Asiimov (Battle-Scarred)
★ Falchion Knife | Autotronic (Field-Tested)
★ Falchion Knife | Night (Field-Tested)
★ M9 Bayonet | Scorched (Field-Tested)
★ Broken Fang Gloves | Jade (Well-Worn)
★ StatTrak™ Stiletto Knife | Ultraviolet (Minimal Wear)
★ Sport Gloves | Vice (Battle-Scarred)
★ StatTrak™ M9 Bayonet | Scorched (Field-Tested)
★ Paracord Knife | Safari Mesh (Field-Tested)
★ Bayonet | Gamma Doppler (Factory New)
AK-47 | Fuel Injector (Minimal Wear)
★ Hand Wraps | Giraffe (Well-Worn)
★ Moto Gloves | POW! (Field-Tested)
★ StatTrak™ Ursus Knife | Marble Fade (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Bayonet | Slaughter (Field-Tested)
★ Specialist Gloves | Field Agent (Field-Tested)
★ Flip Knife | Black Laminate (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Flip Knife | Autotronic (Minimal Wear)
★ Moto Gloves | Boom! (Well-Worn)
★ Karambit | Damascus Steel (Field-Tested)
★ Classic Knife | Forest DDPAT (Field-Tested)
★ M9 Bayonet | Freehand (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Butterfly Knife | Slaughter (Factory New)
★ Moto Gloves | Finish Line (Field-Tested)
★ Butterfly Knife | Night (Minimal Wear)
★ Butterfly Knife | Black Laminate (Well-Worn)
AK-47 | Vulcan (Field-Tested)
★ Karambit | Safari Mesh (Well-Worn)
★ Gut Knife | Stained (Field-Tested)
★ Nomad Knife | Slaughter (Factory New)
★ Moto Gloves | 3rd Commando Company (Battle-Scarred)
★ Stiletto Knife | Slaughter (Factory New)
★ Gut Knife | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
★ Butterfly Knife | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Survival Knife | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Ursus Knife | Case Hardened (Well-Worn)
★ Falchion Knife | Fade (Factory New)
★ StatTrak™ Karambit | Urban Masked (Well-Worn)
★ Hand Wraps | Desert Shamagh (Battle-Scarred)
★ Moto Gloves | Transport (Minimal Wear)
AK-47 | Case Hardened (Field-Tested)
★ M9 Bayonet | Urban Masked (Field-Tested)
★ Huntsman Knife | Doppler (Factory New)
★ Flip Knife | Bright Water (Field-Tested)
★ Skeleton Knife | Forest DDPAT (Battle-Scarred)
★ Talon Knife | Ultraviolet (Field-Tested)
★ Karambit | Stained (Well-Worn)
★ Falchion Knife | Urban Masked (Field-Tested)
★ Butterfly Knife | Scorched (Field-Tested)
★ Moto Gloves | Turtle (Field-Tested)
★ Karambit | Forest DDPAT (Field-Tested)
★ Hydra Gloves | Case Hardened (Field-Tested)
AK-47 | Inheritance
★ StatTrak™ Huntsman Knife | Tiger Tooth (Factory New)
★ Talon Knife | Fade (Factory New)
★ Driver Gloves | Black Tie (Battle-Scarred)
★ Hand Wraps | Slaughter (Field-Tested)
★ Bloodhound Gloves | Charred (Well-Worn)
★ Paracord Knife | Marble Fade (Factory New)
★ Butterfly Knife | Boreal Forest (Well-Worn)
★ Classic Knife | Urban Masked (Field-Tested)
AK-47 | B the Monster
★ Bowie Knife | Forest DDPAT (Well-Worn)
★ Moto Gloves | Spearmint (Field-Tested)
★ Karambit | Ultraviolet (Minimal Wear)
★ Hand Wraps | Arboreal (Well-Worn)
★ Bayonet | Slaughter (Minimal Wear)
AWP | Wildfire
★ M9 Bayonet | Blue Steel (Field-Tested)
★ Kukri Knife | Urban Masked (Field-Tested)
★ Kukri Knife | Forest DDPAT (Battle-Scarred)



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