So How Good Is VAC

[Phoenix]

I can never remember COD4 who was controlled by Punkbuster being riddled with cheats like Black Ops 2 is. Night after night I just want a few games with friends and all we see are blatent cheats. So my answer is how good is the VAC system on Steam because so far i`m not that impressed TBH ???

[Zefar]

引用自 The Total Camper：

Does VaC work after seeing the same players cheat month in and month out,month after month to be quite frank is depressing to say the least,I find it very hard to swallow ,by using google I can find nearly 3,000 cheats,hacks and scripts that have been engineered to by pass VaC.

Cheat sites marketing.
Lession 1: Claim your cheat is undetectable.

Lession 2: Boast about features.

Lession 3: Claim it's even more undetectable.


No cheat site will get people to it if it wrote. "Come and get your detectable cheats that'll get you banned within a few days!" Absolutely no one would have that as their marketing logo for a cheat site.

[J.A.F.O.]

Since are still plenty cheaters out there.
Either it actually is undetectable or VAC is not working enough..
So take ur pick.

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 ID #269：

Well because of the sheer numbers of cheaters I'd go so far as a lot are not detected..
Just playing yesterday at least 5 that were so obvious...I encountered lots of servers that made me lvl up and all unlocks, but yesterday there were two that did the exact opposite...
And all this quickscoping crap, geez how hard can it be to fix that ffs..

Numbers don't always mean anything, especialy with unproven statements.

I can go find 3000 people who cliam the world will end to tomarrow. Will it?

How many weight loss drugs out there claim to help you losse weight reguardless of what you eat?

What about Anti-Virus programs? Are they all the best? They all claim to be.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 ID #269：

Since are still plenty cheaters out there.
Either it actually is undetectable or VAC is not working enough..
So take ur pick.

Or:
You are playing in bad admin'd servers that attract plenty of cheaters.
They've been already tagged and not banned yet.
You are playing in a game without a way of getting rid of cheaters on sight.

I'd love if some of you that always state 'Plenty of cheaters' cam eup with some more interesting data than 'I run into cheaters every game' because that, and saying nothing is about the same.

I've been playing for months and have not found a single cheater. So VAC is working wonderfully.

Now tell me what makes your statement more true than mine.

[J.A.F.O.]

Yeah go play MW2 between 20:00 and 2:00 CET then...ule find plenty hacked servers then.

[Legendary old man]

Guys, it should be obvious Activision could give to ♥♥♥♥♥ about PC customers when consoles are making them all the cash. I do not understand why people are still buying this crap, knowing it is a poor console port full of cheaters without server admins or any other form of proper cheat protection. If these games did not suck so bad I might care but I stopped caring about the COD series after COD 4.

Did anyone expect it to be diffrent then prior versions? Same game, diffrent name, you guys bought what used to be free content for $60.00.

[Dark Lord Satan Visit Your Bum]

VAC works when it's updated and maintained properly, like with TF2. When it's not updated and maintained properly, like with Homefront, it doesn't do a bit of good.

[Anticitizen]

I agree with most of Nya's statements not because i'm an experienced player of all those games mentioned. In fact i never had a chance to play online within the steam environment. But i played Diablo 2 for a fair amount of time and observed some cheaters who can freely do whatever they want to do beyond the abilities of Blizzard's cheat detection systems. And Blizzard is a company famous for banning thousands of players for almost every one of their RPG games too. What i learned from those playing experiences are:

* Professional cheaters are most likely skilled coders, they write their cheats by reverse engineeering game files, they stress game servers so they lag and they can "dupe" valuable items, they probably have a forum which they can share their experiences of how to cheat or what to avoid or how to exploit a game bug etc.

* Many of them cheat because they actually make money out of it. Most of them don't sell their undetectable cheat program but they use it for themselves so they can have undeserved ingame items and tradeable goods. And of course they don't want to make their cheat to be famous only to be patched by game company. No one cuts the chicken that lays golden eggs.

* In the past when you talked about in game trading only RPG games and chinese farmers would come to mind. Today the situation is different.

* Many hackers don't try to steal bank accounts anymore. Instead they cheat in games. Or they try to steal gamer accounts. You may have heard about attacks to Blizzard's and Valve's hashed gamer accounts.

* Because robbing a bank is a serious crime and it is protected with many security systems and if a security breach occurs Police and other government agencies take it very seriously to catch the thief. But in video games everything is happening so fast and there are many unanswered questions about some game of your 10 year old kid plays when he says he is scammed by a random internet guy. Who are you gonna turn to? Or an in game item that actually doesn't exist in real life makes thousands of dollars then someone finds a way to replicate that item without being detected to anybody, how is that different from speculating on the stock market?

* It is certainly true today for many games utilize in-game trading system and these games vary from RPG's, car racing to even FPS games it's everywhere and people spend millions of dollars to ingame goods. And cheating is evolved from just being a troll in a game to a pretty much advanced hacking because a lot of money is involved.

* Oh and i don't have detailed verifications on this matter either. Because i'm not a journalist, or an academic researcher who records every evidence he encounters. I'm just a casual gamer who doesn't cheat. But the these days internet is worse than ever and the evidence is certainly there. And for people who devote most of their time and energy to a game without cheating, there is always gonna be a certain level of dissapointment.

[«Gғм» Kid Of The Century]

Well, I too can see what Nya is saying: if I had my own personal cheat, developed by myself or a very close source, well-made in an "unique" way (not copy-pasted from other cheats), used only by me or a extremely small circle of known people, and -moreover- used with caution and on special occasions only (e.g. to get that single crucial headshot that'd give your team the victory, not headshotting everyone in sight without reloading) then I might be spared by the AC system, let it be VAC, Punkbuster, anything.

As long as the above condition remains valid of course, that's why VAC in the end is backed up by proper server administration (that -only the heavens knows why- CoD doesn't support) and player reports - as stated by BurtonJ, reports make VAC (team?) look closer at the incriminated player's machine.

[76561198039838009]

Why do i see people playing who have a VAC ban ?

[J.A.F.O.]

I see dead people..Hahaha, but how do you see those people then?
And if I'm correct way way back in this thread it was mentioned that VAC does not perm-ban as a normal admin would do..If that is true that might explain it.. However I will ask a buddy who was banned if his restriction still applies and if possible find out when/why exactly he got banned..

[Jondm8]

These multi player games are full of hackers. And when you depand on admins, they ban good players for the sake of there hacker buddies. These games are full of hackers vac and pb will not stop them, we are just screwed. I quit buying multi player games, only way to get away from the hackers.

[J.A.F.O.]

Well just talked to my buddy and it seems these bans are permanent. So how you [Redneck*] can see banned ppl is beyond me..
I requested that my buddy quickly reinstall MW2 MP and try to start it up after well over 2.5 years non-service and it still doesn't start.. VAC status still states that MW2 MP is disabled due to suspected cheating and no indication for a due ban-lift.

As of [Jondm8]'s point of view, I agree up to a point.. Of course you will have buyest admins but I think (a.k.a. hope) those are scarce.. But to stop buying multiplayer games I think goes a bit far...Personally I just decide not to play the MP if I sense a lot of cheating going on.
My first order of business when entering an already started MW2 game is "tab" to see the score table..If there are weird scores like 53 - 4 and most of the others are x - 10+...I play the next game to find out if the others are complete noobs or not..If not then I try to focus on the hacker and if that doesn't work out I just disconnect...

But no way I let hackers decide what game I want to buy...

[Spawn of Totoro]

引用自 Redneck*♥♥♥♥*SS：

Why do i see people playing who have a VAC ban ?

VAC bans are per a game not an account. Somene banned in MW3 can still play BO2 just fine.

[Phoenix]

Does VAC also ban circumventers, by this I mean banned cheats that go any buy another game ?? Reason I ask this is because back in the days of Ravenshield I worked closely with an anti-cheat organisation to find and re-ban circumventers.