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I am obviously confused because I thought they was P2P, but the official servers are just not admin then? About the same results as P2P with a little bit better performance. I am happy to see that Valve still allows you to download server software and run your own server. There is hope after all for this game if everyone rejects the broken official servers and chooses to play on well administered servers. It is the only solution that has a chance of working these days as hackers are skilled enough to bypass any protection with new cheats coming out weekly. .
You all dont seem to understand what VAC is and how it works. VAC relys on server admins to do immediate bans and they can report the player for a VAC Ban (Players reports are not reliable). VAC concept is to rely on its dectection protocols and not reporting. I will not go into all the details of how VAC works here, but will say read the pinned thread and ask support if you do not understand it's concept.
If you must complain about cheaters and their growth in the servers you played in , then do so to the server provider and or the admins of such servers, this is not the responsibility of the VAC system; and as stated up above if VAC is not administrated to its fullest abilities, then blame them for not doing that not VALVE or VAC. With this said, the server admins and or providers can ban any player they deem unfit for that particular server, but just not a VAC BAN, inwhich Valve reserves the right too.
Why reply jerk?
If you think it's so simple do it yourself instead of saying so lightly about improving vac system.
Because I can. Also name calling is not allowed on these forums. If I wanted to report you it is likely you would get a ban or warning. This is not grade school.
Its easy to detect a hacker from a good player.
VAC may be passive however passive AC systems just don't cut it in reality. It's reliant on human input and reports which can take months to get entered into the system and in some cases never. Then on top of that you have to wait for the randomly generated delayed ban for a cheater to be taken care of.
ESEA has a more agressive AC however it takes care of pub cheats quickly, if you download a cheat from somewhere and run it you won't even make it through a single PUG before getting hit with a ban, it's extremely effective.
This isn't necessarily true either, you're not always "suspecting" people of cheating, sometimes they just are and they are not trying to hide it.
It's pretty ironic you telling people they don't understand when you don't yourself. That whole "VAC relies on admins" thing is a scapegoat for the inefficiency of the AC and not something which is officially stated anywhere. It's a community invented delusion by people who illogically defend VAC and all of its shortcomings.
http://i.imgur.com/uUndtvi.png
This is what VAC2 really is, something which cannot do what it states, it's outdated. It was able to accomplish this when it was first enstated in 2005 however the coding methods have greatly advanced and the VAC detection methods have not.
It doesn't work as it should or even could be.
P.S. 85%+ of the GO community plays in matchmaking where there is no admin presence so that goes out the window anyway, the game from a public community standpoint is quite stagnant.
Speculate much? You don't know what I have done or where I have played. They have false bans. Just becaue you believe they are hackers and rightly banned does not mean they may not have been false bans. Even with VAC I don't assume everyone was correctly banned, just in case they realy didn't do it.
And agressive = more false bans. Even ESEA has hacks that still work with it. Just because you haven't encountered them, does not mean they don't exist and that others haven't.
An obvious hacker, yes is obvious. We aren't talking about an obvious one, we are talking about subtle ones that are not "in your face hacking".
You obviously have no understanding of what you are talking about and are doing the same thing you are accusing others of doing.
Good luck and good bye.
As to what GeorgePatton pointed out, have fun with that using ESEA. Nice performance hit you are taking to help fund them.
I've been involved in that community for over 9 years so don't even think about trying to argue with about things completely out of your realm of knowledge...
No it really doesn't, not if the coder is to put it lightly a genius, Jaguar is a modern marvel in the world of anti-cheat coding and his coding abilities are second to none. In regards to people cheating, that happens everywhere, however on ESEA cheats that bypass the client do not stay that way for long, it's the reason they are so successful, their AC is iron clad.
You get involved with all of these topics with very minimal and frankly just general second hand knowledge that you have most likely picked up from other people around here. You have no first hand experience with any of this stuff, you're not involved in the slightest bit yet here you are mouthing off like a know it all who knows nothing at all...
You're a joke and your posts are nothing but conjecture built upon bad information, you need to learn to not speak out of line.
No. what is ironic is that you do not understand that VAC does not do immediate bans, but relys on it's detection protocols. This is stated in the pinned thread here in this area, plz read.
As for being outdated, this might be stated at any moment in time for any AC, but let me inform you that they are being updated and will continue updating as needed.
As for certian gameplay modes that are not adimined, ask why not, then ask who is responsible for making sure the game is as free of hacker/cheaters as possible (like immediate removal of players that are cheating); and if you understood VAC concept then you would not have made statements like you have done here.
I don't understand something which has been in place for 8 years for which all 8 years I was present and beyond.
Also what? Out of your element, so far out, I never even said anything about there not being delayed bans...
VAC detection methods have not been updated since 2008, this has not changed, it's 5 years out of date.
You don't have even the semblance of a clue as to what you are talking about lol. People like you really bother me, you get involved in things that you just can't functionally discuss because you're so ignorant...
Ask why automated match making servers are not admined? You can't be serious lol, kiddo I understand VAC on levels you couldn't even comprehend...
Please for the sake of all of us and my sanity just stop talking, please.
That wouldn't be bad if the AC was effective at catching private or paid cheats however it's not. VAC is incapable of detecting certain things and people with a lot of time and who are very experienced coders know how to completely bypass this ACS. It's limited and has a set of things it can do and is capable of, it can do no more and no less than it is capable.
For that same reason VAC1 was disbanded and replaced with VAC2 in 2005, VAC1 was no longer able to do its job effectively and more and more cheats were able to fully circumvent it. They had to take the entire AC back to the drawing board and then completely reengineered it.
This was fine for several years, however with detection methods frozen coders had ample amounts of time to get around it and they have. Cheats which people use in leagues and so on are in no way affected by VAC in its current state, they could cheat indefinetely with these without a thing happening.
What I am saying is not hollow and it's most definetely true to every letter, people like yourself are just not involved enough to ever see things like this, not even remotely close to involved enough.
You get your information here from people like Spawn of Totoro who also get their information from here, horrible second hand and false misinformation continually passed around in a never ending spiral of ignorance.
VAC is great for pub cheats, simple code which can be completely done and working in a matter of hours, however for coders who spend months refining their code with the sole intention of completely bypassing VAC and league AC systems they succeed and they don't come cheap.
They cost hundreds to thousands of dollars all with an independant signature designated to a single individual so a ban wave if ever caught is an impossibility. Coding cheats like that is what these people do for a living, it's their primary income...
Even if Valve got ahold of (which they never will) and added these cheats to their definition list it would do them no good, VAC cannot detect them because like I said they operate out of VAC's current capabilities of detection due to the methods not being updated for years.
The reality is when it comes to things like this you guys are just out of your league, your knowledge is too limited to even properly discuss these things.
I still find it surprising that some people haven't faced blatant hackers in game, which is why I can only assume that either you are of low rank, or haven't played enough matches. The chances of getting a hacker is MUCH higher when you are in a high rank lobby. Please don't take this as an insult to your skill, I'm just mentioning facts here with no one specific in mind.
Even having a proper way of reporting hackers with demo proof would help things a lot. At least that way people would think twice about hacking.
PS: ESEA and Bitcoin is not the issue here, nor does it contribute to it's AC capabilities.
Now Now, your igorance has been showed.
First, I never said a dam thing about delayed bans period, and I really dont care how many years that you have been around steam, this does not mean anything, since your own statements are mis-leading and or unprovable.
As far as automatic matching making game modes, did you not read and or do you not understand what i said ? " ask why not, then ask who is resposible for making sure the game is as free of hackers/cheaters as possible (like immediate removal of players that are cheating)". I understand this mode of gaming but if this is where the most of the so called hackers/cheaters are being found , then maybe oversight of these modes maybe needed.
I maybe igorant in many areas, but your arrogance does not support your claims of BS.