Instead of a ban can't VAC just kick you out of server or game if it detects software or cheat engine running?

[niralamart000]

Or the very least just switch over to insecure server, i feel like this whole thing is handled extremely poorly and so many people unjustifiably get punished for either a simple mistake or using a tool like red dot on screen or equipment management . Heck a student was running a software in back ground for his school project , not even hooked in to the game and during LAN party the entire group got a VAC ban over it, no malicious intent whatsoever but valve apparently thinks their current system is this objective piece of cheat detection tech that can never be wrong.

Simply include an automatic off button and kick them out if there is a problem, this is coming from a paying customer who now has to disable VAC in any game that has it cause of how unreliable and unsafe it is. I only play with friends cause thin skinned reporting noobs piss us off incase anyone is wondering.

[J4MESOX4D]

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Snaggle の投稿を引用：

You've done a great job showing us how little you know about the VAC system and how unjustified your fears are.

well no there are hundred of posts now on how VAC just decides to ban you cause you left a software open in the background, it shouldn't do that but it has. What more do you want except not face reality for some reason?

VAC does not ban for this - that would cause a VAC error. VAC only bans for when 3rd party software is either deliberately hooked to the executable process or injected into the games core file directory.

So what you are complaining about already works as a concept. It's cheaters that lie that give the impression that VAC bans for anything running in the background which is utter nonsense.

[niralamart000]

Snaggle の投稿を引用：

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

well no there are hundred of posts now on how VAC just decides to ban you cause you left a software open in the background, it shouldn't do that but it has.

It doesn't do this. There might be hundreds of posts about it, but they aren't true. If you leave a cheat open, you get banned. If you leave something else open, you play as normal. VAC is an anti-cheat, no an anti-background tool.

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

i'm pretty sure talking about a hands on approach where VAC will test for anything running in background first and not allow you start game, also shut down game if you turn something on that it doesn't like. Not relating to cheating but any harmless software which there are many examples of

All this does is warn cheat developers that their cheat is detected and allows them to keep working on it until VAC no longer closes their game and becomes undetected. So really, that doesn't solve anything.

And VAC does kick you from a game if it detects things it "doesn't like". Cheat Engine is a prime example of this. If you leave it open, VAC kicks you but doesn't ban you. It only bans if you use it to cheat.

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

you do realize even attempting at trying to disable TAA in a multiplayer game using your own code can get you banned

It's down to the developers of games to implement VAC and tell VAC what to ban for. If you don't like how a game is made and want to make changes for it, then complain to the developers for not implementing the right settings.

you couldn't even be further from the truth on what you can and can't run while VAC is active or activated, so so much software can conflict with VAC authentication and that is just the way it is. And guess what, kicking would be fine but it just straight up skips to flag you. Why do you think i made this post, the rest of your points are just weird, community will contact the devs and maybe they will listen or not cause they are employees who are hired for another project but valve still has to function fairly and practice common sense in it's own store and with it's anti cheat.

Also my suggestion of VAC scanning the computer was just that , a suggestion, let actual steam staff and valve employees consider on how it would be handled, doubt us users have to worry about anything but living our own lives.

[Snaggle]

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

you couldn't even be further from the truth on what you can and can't run while VAC is active or activated

I'm not.

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

so so much software can conflict with VAC authentication and that is just the way it is.

It isn't.

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

And guess what, kicking would be fine but it just straight up skips to flag you.

It doesn't. Unless it's a cheat.

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

Why do you think i made this post

Because you're uninformed and scared about something you don't need to be scared about.

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

the rest of your points are just weird

No they aren't. They just don't agree with whatever echo chamber you've come from.

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

SOLO の投稿を引用：

---- guys plz report this guy. He using cheats on cs 2)

1) VAC does NOT work on reports.
2) This isn't your thread, hijacking it is rude.
3) Naming / Shaming is against forum rules.

[niralamart000]

J4MESOX4D の投稿を引用：

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

well no there are hundred of posts now on how VAC just decides to ban you cause you left a software open in the background, it shouldn't do that but it has. What more do you want except not face reality for some reason?

VAC does not ban for this - that would cause a VAC error. VAC only bans for when 3rd party software is either deliberately hooked to the executable process or injected into the games core file directory.

So what you are complaining about already works as a concept. It's cheaters that lie that give the impression that VAC bans for anything running in the background which is utter nonsense.

there are many VAC black listed softwares that you can look up that have nothing to do with hacking or cheating except they interfere with steam's anti cheat or can theoretically be a risk. I'm not talking actual cheaters but mistakes by users who without any warning get a ban even when it's something simple as a code that is designed to turn of TAA or a work software can also mess with memory.


edit : also please stop this weird image you are putting off where you consider VAC to have no faults, it is not perfect and only needs corrections in how it handles anti cheat rather then any programming errors

[Snaggle]

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

edit : also please stop this weird image you are putting off where you consider VAC to have no faults, it is not perfect and only needs corrections in how it handles anti cheat rather then any programming errors

No one has said it's perfect. No one. Stop making things up. Again.

Why not post some proof of the things you say? Let's see this list of blacklisted software you know about. Show us something other than your word that VAC is unreliable.

[Breaker]

Vac ban is fair punishment , its perma , kick is just for one game

[niralamart000]

SpeedFreak1972 の投稿を引用：

Also in case of cheat engine it only detects it when it's running and hooked up in the game so tell me why it's hooked up in the game in the first place? You don't need it if you play fair ...

YES THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD WORK, but it's a 50/50 depending upon how that specific cheat engine is designed. even the steam sub reddit considers it common sense to turn of any software whether it be work /school related or gaming when VAC servers are activated cause any ban would be irreversible whether it's "HOOKED" or not. See what i mean , it's better off just scanning all your files on your pc and then HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY moderating what you can turn on or use

[ReBoot]

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

SpeedFreak1972 の投稿を引用：

Also in case of cheat engine it only detects it when it's running and hooked up in the game so tell me why it's hooked up in the game in the first place? You don't need it if you play fair ...

YES THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD WORK, but it's a 50/50 depending upon how that specific cheat engine is designed. even the steam sub reddit considers it common sense to turn of any software whether it be work /school related or gaming when VAC servers are activated cause any ban would be irreversible whether it's "HOOKED" or not. See what i mean , it's better off just scanning all your files on your pc and then HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY moderating what you can turn on or use

... yeah because Reddit is the pinnacle of common sense...

[Snaggle]

It's common sense to shut down things, yes. So what's the problem exactly? VAC already kicks you from servers if you use software that interferes with it, that doesn't lead to a ban.

Using cheats leads to a ban.

Ask yourself how the millions of users, all with different software installed have not been VAC banned? Because VAC doesn't just ban you for the lolz when you have something open. Give the Devs a little credit.

Use common sense.

[SpeedFreak1972]

YEA some software is more accepted than others I mean in case of CE it's LITERALLY in the name

[niralamart000]

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

YES THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD WORK, but it's a 50/50 depending upon how that specific cheat engine is designed. even the steam sub reddit considers it common sense to turn of any software whether it be work /school related or gaming when VAC servers are activated cause any ban would be irreversible whether it's "HOOKED" or not. See what i mean , it's better off just scanning all your files on your pc and then HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY HEAVILY moderating what you can turn on or use

... yeah because Reddit is the pinnacle of common sense...

and what steam in any better, heck it's worse with so many blatant employees coming to defend anything corporate and going unpunished.

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

... yeah because Reddit is the pinnacle of common sense...

and what steam in any better, heck it's worse with so many blatant employees coming to defend anything corporate and going unpunished.

People who disagree with you aren't automatically "employees".

[J4MESOX4D]

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

J4MESOX4D の投稿を引用：

VAC does not ban for this - that would cause a VAC error. VAC only bans for when 3rd party software is either deliberately hooked to the executable process or injected into the games core file directory.

So what you are complaining about already works as a concept. It's cheaters that lie that give the impression that VAC bans for anything running in the background which is utter nonsense.

there are many VAC black listed softwares that you can look up that have nothing to do with hacking or cheating except they interfere with steam's anti cheat or can theoretically be a risk. I'm not talking actual cheaters but mistakes by users who without any warning get a ban even when it's something simple as a code that is designed to turn of TAA or a work software can also mess with memory.


edit : also please stop this weird image you are putting off where you consider VAC to have no faults, it is not perfect and only needs corrections in how it handles anti cheat rather then any programming errors

Any softwares that 'interfere' with the anti-cheat result in a VAC error in-game message meaning the system is blocked by an unrecognised software but isn't a known cheat.

Only recognised cheats are on the VAC database and for a user to be banned, they would have to be running these cheats either hooked or injected with intent when connected to a secure server.

You've clearly been brainwashed by misinformation most likely stemming from convicted cheaters lying through their teeth.

[Gold]

niralamart000 の投稿を引用：

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

... yeah because Reddit is the pinnacle of common sense...

and what steam in any better, heck it's worse with so many blatant employees coming to defend anything corporate and going unpunished.

What employees? Making things up nonstop gets you nowhere.