i was a stupid kid, i used cheats. it was 10 years ago. can i somehow got a redemption?

[ArtifactZone]

im ok with loosing all items on my cs-go account, im playing on secods acc for 6 years now. Is there are any chance to lose a vac ban? Does valve ever gave anyone second chance?

[Soren]

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Giving those players the ability after 10 years just doesn't feel that destructive to the VAC ecosystem to me.

Such old accounts would be a trove for account hijackers and account sellers. Wait 3650 days then sell the ancient account after the ban is expunged, games, skins and other items whole.

The ability to abuse long forgotten accounts is why Valve decided to make VAC bans permanent.

That's why the expunging manual review process would just need to reject the account if it was inactive for the majority of it's life after the ban. If the account was abandoned, the process wouldn't be open to that user.

Consider it a sentenced served type of suggestion. The suggestion isn't for people who never served the 7 or so years. It's for the people who did.

[VaLiuM]

There is no actual reason to change the ban policies or the systems back to what it was.

Temporary bans were a thing and people kept rotating accounts and continued cheating after their bans expired, hence why the last straw brought us to where we are now.

Actions have consequences and permanent bans are fine, don't do the crime and you won't serve the time.

Everyone has the same chance to keep accounts in good standing.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Also even IF you have a vac ban and you have a diverse account (read a lot of games) you can always play something else even on that account. It's not that that there aren't games left to play I mean you're not banned in ALL games.

[HikariLight]

VAC and game bans only prevent you from playing online in the game they are for.
Though in some games like RUST, the private server owners/admins will not allow users will a ban from any game to play on the server.

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

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Also even IF you have a vac ban and you have a diverse account (read a lot of games) you can always play something else even on that account. It's not that that there aren't games left to play I mean you're not banned in ALL games.

You can still play the game you are banned in as well, just no longer on VAC Secured Servers.

[50 Cal]

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Also even IF you have a vac ban and you have a diverse account (read a lot of games) you can always play something else even on that account. It's not that that there aren't games left to play I mean you're not banned in ALL games.

You can still play the game you are banned in as well, just no longer on VAC Secured Servers.

Excatly so I dont understand the issue. They cheat and can now only play with potential cheaters so they should be happy. Unless they just cant handle cheating if its someone else.

[Patroh]

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You can still play the game you are banned in as well, just no longer on VAC Secured Servers.

Excatly so I dont understand the issue. They cheat and can now only play with potential cheaters so they should be happy. Unless they just cant handle cheating if its someone else.

The benefits don't just end here. Not only their games have the chance to finally become balanced should they attempt HvH/VAC-insecure servers but it's the only way to still enjoy your items and the account becomes 100% scam-proof due to imposed trading prohibition too!

[50 Cal]

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Excatly so I dont understand the issue. They cheat and can now only play with potential cheaters so they should be happy. Unless they just cant handle cheating if its someone else.

The benefits don't just end here. Not only their games have the chance to finally become balanced should they attempt HvH/VAC-insecure servers but it's the only way to still enjoy your items and the account becomes 100% scam-proof due to imposed trading prohibition too!

You would think this forum would be an endless stream of posts from grateful VAC banned. Instead you get these strange help me posts that dont make sense. I dont think most of them can read either.

[I know i'm shit but..]

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To be fair, expunging a ban record after 7 or so years isn't that bad of an idea imo. I doubt cheaters are waiting 7 years just to rack up another ban. The problem with the old system is people knew it was just a timeout before they could get in there and cheat again. 7 years isn't just another timeout.

Obviously, expunging should have to be a manual requesting process, not automatic. And the review process should reject a person based on various circumstances. Like does the account look like it was bought. I assume OP wants a ban undone so he can retrieve an old and expensive steam inventory from the grave too. Which expunging the account should delete those items if I'm being honest. Those should be considered lost the moment the account is banned.

I prefer permanent. They should also ban people (not accounts) but there isn't a good way to do that. Yet.

naive move. not good for business

[VaLiuM]

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naive move. not good for business

Not really, depends on accounts. We always see low level throwaway accounts with less than 5 bought games and they probably don't buy much, wouldn't hurt a fly to get rid of them as those accounts are often only made for cheating.

A level 40 account with 2000 games bought on the other hand, is different.

[I know i'm shit but..]

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naive move. not good for business

Not really, depends on accounts. We always see low level throwaway accounts with less than 5 bought games and they probably don't buy much, wouldn't hurt a fly to get rid of them as those accounts are often only made for cheating.

A level 40 account with 2000 games bought on the other hand, is different.

That's not how it works. You either apply the policy to everyone or not at all, otherwise it's a dystopia disaster.

[VaLiuM]

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That's not how it works. You either apply the policy to everyone or not at all, otherwise it's a dystopia disaster.

That is why bans are permanent without any form of appeal, no matter the account. That is pretty much the best how it can work out. At least imo.

[The Giving One]

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Which expunging the account should delete those items if I'm being honest. Those should be considered lost the moment the account is banned.

One issue with this is, it gets into legal gray areas with items the user has legally purchased to use on Steam, as agreed upon, which they can do from the locked account IF there are any non secure (non VAC) servers to play the banned game on.

Taking away purchased items would probably violate that from Valve's end so it's better to just let them keep the items but they are locked to the account. They can't play on secure servers or use them on secure servers from the banned account so it's not really any difference either way.

There was a time when Source game VAC bans also made the user lose all NON PURCHASED Team Fortress 2 items. They were free anyway, so they could be taken away, since the user did not actually buy them on the account.

The support pages literally explained that the non purchased items would removed, but the fact that it was only NON PURCHASED items, seems to confirm that taking away PURCHASED items would be against the SSA (Steam Subscriber Agreement), and get Valve into trouble.

It's really about the same thing to just keep the items locked to the account. It's a smart move, just like making CS2 an upgrade to CSGO. Same game, so same bans from CSGO apply.

If it was a new game, then the old cheaters would be able to play and cheat in it also. So just like the 7 year public invisible VAC ban notice, it also fights people wrongfully transferring accounts, since they can't see the red text until they are the actual user of the account, and most don't think to check the account using other methods to see if it has a VAC ban, or they are too stupid to think they can just come here, post some nonsense, and get the ban removed.

[Soren]

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Taking away purchased items would probably violate that from Valve's end so it's better to just let them keep the items but they are locked to the account. They can't play on secure servers or use them on secure servers from the banned account so it's not really any difference either way.

Like I said in an amendment. It'd be serviceable to just keep the items untradeable and unmarketable even once the ban appeal is done.

[Silicon Vampire]

You are adding complexity to a system that doesn't need it. There is ZERO reason to change the way it works now.

Cheat detected = PermaBAN