Naota 2015 年 11 月 26 日 上午 7:04
Wait . . Steam is trying to force me to buy a "smartphone"?
This cant't be right, but I read it in another thread.

I don't have a "smartphone", and I have no reason to buy one.
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Bhocolate Bhip Bookies 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 3:47 
I dont have a smart phone and I can understand why this sytem is implimented. Its a good system with a just idea. It was just exicuted in the wrong way.
♠Moss45°♠ 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:06 
I have a smart phone, but extorting my phone number is an exaggeration.
Starwhite 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:16 
引用自 Pheace
Uh no. If his PC gets hijacked, the hijacker tries to trade away the items then needs to confirm the trade on the phone, which he can't.

Except he hijacks the phone instead which is much easier. You need to confirm trades done on the phone with the phone ...

1FA being the highest form of security instead of the 3FA before and some people actually believe this.
nxckz 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:18 
ure right..........
Starwhite 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:22 
WTF do you need phone number or other information for? You hack phones through security holes or having them install malware, not call them asking them to please download something for them. Or first hack the PC and then the phones on same LAN. It's all done through the internet, not voice calls.
Pheace 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:42 
引用自 Starwhite
引用自 Pheace
Uh no. If his PC gets hijacked, the hijacker tries to trade away the items then needs to confirm the trade on the phone, which he can't.

Except he hijacks the phone instead which is much easier. You need to confirm trades done on the phone with the phone ...

1FA being the highest form of security instead of the 3FA before and some people actually believe this.

I guess since you keep repeating yourself I'll keep repeating myself.

Staying ahead of hijackers is like staying ahead of cheating. It's a moving target. Currently there's no malware/phishing effective on the phones themselves. The PC is chockful of it, and daily there's tons of people getting hijacked by RAT's trading away their items while they're at their computer or sleeping.

This change combats the most common form of getting hijacked right now.

Will it stay like this forever? Probably not. Yes, the phone will be the next target. Is that a problem right now? Not yet.

When it happens, will they go back to how it was? Not likely. In fact, if at some point they'll agree with you that it's pointless to keep adding more security, then the most likely next step is just enforcing the 3 day wait for everyone. Give no one a way out.

Because the 3 day wait is a very effective step against hijackers, and there's no way around it (if they remove the phone exception)
-KINZOxOxO 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:46 
bj:csgohelmet:
Starwhite 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:50 
And I'll repeat myself, so the only point of decreasing security is that nobody is attacking it yet? Great reasoning there.

There still isn't any increased security at all, only more hassle for legit users. Scammers got an easier route to steal all items in people's accounts, they just need some time to code the new malware. If you can call that increased there really is something wrong with you.

Unless you really are suggesting Steam comes up with a new useless "security" feature every month to annoy every user ever further.
Poroner 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:56 
引用自 Starwhite
And I'll repeat myself, so the only point of decreasing security is that nobody is attacking it yet? Great reasoning there.

There still isn't any increased security at all, only more hassle for legit users. Scammers got an easier route to steal all items in people's accounts, they just need some time to code the new malware. If you can call that increased there really is something wrong with you.

Unless you really are suggesting Steam comes up with a new useless "security" feature every month to annoy every user ever further.

He probably is one of those users that clicked on a stupid link and lost all his items. i seriously can't understand how he can defend FORCING something upon LEGIT users.
Forcen 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 7:58 
引用自 Poroner
引用自 Starwhite
And I'll repeat myself, so the only point of decreasing security is that nobody is attacking it yet? Great reasoning there.

There still isn't any increased security at all, only more hassle for legit users. Scammers got an easier route to steal all items in people's accounts, they just need some time to code the new malware. If you can call that increased there really is something wrong with you.

Unless you really are suggesting Steam comes up with a new useless "security" feature every month to annoy every user ever further.

He probably is one of those users that clicked on a stupid link and lost all his items. i seriously can't understand how he can defend FORCING something upon LEGIT users.
It's a pretty good alternative to removing all trading...
Starwhite 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 8:01 
And the only reason to remove all trading is to get more profit from the market. Anyone thinking there is any other reason is just silly.

Best alternative is still allow people who are able to take care of themselves to trade freely. The people who require special attention can stay in whatever sandbox they want to. Everyone wins.
Poroner 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 8:01 
引用自 Forcen
引用自 Poroner

He probably is one of those users that clicked on a stupid link and lost all his items. i seriously can't understand how he can defend FORCING something upon LEGIT users.
It's a pretty good alternative to removing all trading...

Idk how many times I will say this, just add this as an optional protection option and as an alternative to this one for people who don't have a smartphone add an SMS code , it's that simple.
最後修改者:Poroner; 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 8:02
Forcen 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 8:06 
引用自 Poroner
引用自 Forcen
It's a pretty good alternative to removing all trading...

Idk how many times I will say this, just add this as an optional protection option and as an alternative to this one for people who don't have a smartphone add an SMS code , it's that simple.
I don't know how many times you have said that but have you ever gotten the answer that trade confirmations via codes are vulnerable to keyloggers and so on?
Codes don't expire as fast as they seem, all they need is for some malware that tricks you into entering a code via sms for them to be able to use that code to trade your ♥♥♥♥ away.
The app solves this by showing you every trade on your phone so keyloggers can't trade without you actually confirming it.

If you got that response you should have included your response.
最後修改者:Forcen; 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 8:07
Poroner 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 8:09 
引用自 Forcen
引用自 Poroner

Idk how many times I will say this, just add this as an optional protection option and as an alternative to this one for people who don't have a smartphone add an SMS code , it's that simple.
I don't know how many times you have said that but have you ever gotten the answer that trade confirmations via codes are vulnerable to keyloggers and so on?
Codes don't expire as fast as they seem, all they need is for some malware that tricks you into entering a code via sms for them to be able to use that code to trade your ♥♥♥♥ away.
The app solves this by showing you every trade on your phone so keyloggers can't trade without you actually confirming it.
I know but it's still an extra layer of security and I'd rather have no trade hold with less security than this. I'm not stupid enough to go click on some phisy link and my account and email have enough security as is.
Forcen 2015 年 12 月 14 日 上午 8:15 
引用自 Poroner
引用自 Forcen
I don't know how many times you have said that but have you ever gotten the answer that trade confirmations via codes are vulnerable to keyloggers and so on?
Codes don't expire as fast as they seem, all they need is for some malware that tricks you into entering a code via sms for them to be able to use that code to trade your ♥♥♥♥ away.
The app solves this by showing you every trade on your phone so keyloggers can't trade without you actually confirming it.
I know but it's still an extra layer of security and I'd rather have no trade hold with less security than this. I'm not stupid enough to go click on some phisy link and my account and email have enough security as is.
Well you are not everyone.. and valve can't tell you apart from people who would fall for tricks.
They don't want more optional layers of security, they want less stolen items and this was their desperate move. Only way to keep non smartphone owners trading was to use this hold.
Also the tricks change all the time, some are quite more subtle then you might know.

They did post a very long text about it, not sure if you have read it because you seem to misunderstand why they did this: http://store.steampowered.com/news/19618/
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