BittCloud 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 2:51
Origin and Steam
I for a while wished Origin would die off so that i could get hits like SimCity and Battlefield on Steam, but then I realized that this would lead to less competition and so higher prices. So i have changed my stance, I wish that steam games were available on origin, and Origin games on steam. This would solve the problems of exclusive platforms, and keep competition and low prices intact.
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Black Blade 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 3:55 
Not really if they have it on Each other i will think there is a higher chance for them to work on the same prices... not that it will not be the same price any way..

(and just want to point out ... good thing that come out of how its now Origin has 2 games you can get for free.. Battlefield 3 and Plants vs Zombies)

But to be honest the chance of these happening is really low.. Becouse Steam has i think all Origin users and more.. so there is no reason for many Dev to sale on Origin
Fork_Q2 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 4:31 
引用自 mitch.fillbach
This would solve the problems of exclusive platforms, and keep competition and low prices intact.

Yep, that's the dream. Competition = good.
Sticky Fingers 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 6:18 
Well, i guess most people think they have to purchase the games in the shop of the platform the game runs on. So they just buy on Steam or on Uplay or whatever. Yea then you will allways pay top dollar for your games. Just google a bit and with some extra efford you'll find yourself the owner of Watch Dogs for just 22 euros instead of 56!
Lord Shnackshack 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 6:38 
steam is better than origin
BittCloud 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 7:39 
Steam is by far better. and where did you get that deal? so dodgy internet hole in the wall?
Chris 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 9:20 
I actually prefer Origin.

It's a games distrobution platform, nothing more. It works well, the customer support is phenomenal and they offer refunds.
最后由 Chris 编辑于; 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 9:20
Dune Jumper 2014 年 5 月 28 日 下午 10:31 
引用自 Touching Hair
I actually prefer Origin.

It's a games distrobution platform, nothing more. It works well, the customer support is phenomenal and they offer refunds.
And they give out free games. And the software overall runs better. The amount of people that like Steam over Origin astounds me. I'm pretty sure they haven't even tried or even looked at Origin before.

引用自 mitch.fillbach
and where did you get that deal? so dodgy internet hole in the wall?
Who? What deal?
Black Blade 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 12:04 
引用自 BDK
You wont ever find games by valve running entirely on origin, valve is too greedy to even consider that I'm sure. They aim for world domination by the looks of it.
ok let me ask you these then
If you made a Door.. will you want to sell it by someone else and lose on it? or sale by your own and earn more?

Is that greed? or just business?
I mean really dude.. if it was not really really expensive and not easy to make each game Dev will have just sell every thing with there own DRM saying one is greedy just as they have no reason to do it, what is the point?

EA and Ubisoft sell games on Steam not because there Not greedy.. but as Steam has a huge User base... so it was worth it for them to lose some % for it...
And like you can see it seem that EA got now there own user-base and left Steam.. for there own system Origin.. so it has nothing to do with greed...
Stevenson Family 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 12:55 
引用自 Touching Hair
Yeah, most of the people who hate on it haven't used it. They're jumping on the "we hate EA" bandwagon, trying to score a few brownie points with their peers.

I dislike EA because they bought a lot of developers I loved, destroyed them and killed the games. The few EA games I did enjoy got dumbed down for comsumption by cretins.

Not to mention they shut down game servers really early to make you buy Call of battlefield 9, banned people from playing thier own games after a forum ban and became the kings of "day one DLC", "always online" and "Online passes".

Pretty much every business decision EA has made for years has tried to screw over gamers for maximum profit. I wouldn't expect someone who has a 2 year old account full of free2play and indie games to know that though.
最后由 Stevenson Family 编辑于; 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 12:56
Tito Shivan 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 3:36 
引用自 Dune Jumper
And they give out free games. And the software overall runs better. The amount of people that like Steam over Origin astounds me. I'm pretty sure they haven't even tried or even looked at Origin before.
It actually worries me the speed at which Origin is giving away stuff for free lately.
Gifting stuff is almost never done altrustically. It's a tactic to get people into your business (which steam doesn't really need to, since they're leading the race) it's also a non-returning investment (it's not assured those new customers will spend further money)

The speed in which Origin is pulling out "free stuff" stunts indicates two scenarios.
-Their userbase is below their business expectations. They NEED more users, at a rate they're willing to gift AAA titles to get people in.
-The shareholders are requiring 'moar money' and are forcing more aggressive tactics to up their userbase, in expectation of freeloaders spending eventually more money (DLC) . Even if that takes burning AAA titles by gifting them.

I've ended up having a nice opinion of Origin, but this later moves worry me and remind how easy EA has dumped previous projects.
Fork_Q2 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 3:48 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 Dune Jumper
And they give out free games. And the software overall runs better. The amount of people that like Steam over Origin astounds me. I'm pretty sure they haven't even tried or even looked at Origin before.
It actually worries me the speed at which Origin is giving away stuff for free lately.
Gifting stuff is almost never done altrustically. It's a tactic to get people into your business (which steam doesn't really need to, since they're leading the race) it's also a non-returning investment (it's not assured those new customers will spend further money)

The speed in which Origin is pulling out "free stuff" stunts indicates two scenarios.
-Their userbase is below their business expectations. They NEED more users, at a rate they're willing to gift AAA titles to get people in.
-The shareholders are requiring 'moar money' and are forcing more aggressive tactics to up their userbase, in expectation of freeloaders spending eventually more money (DLC) . Even if that takes burning AAA titles by gifting them.

I've ended up having a nice opinion of Origin, but this later moves worry me and remind how easy EA has dumped previous projects.

I would suggest a third possible reason, they think they are in the "razor and blades" business where they can give away razers (games) and sell blades us blades (DLC). Look at Mass Effect 3, only £10 for the base product, but buy all the story DLC and it comes closer to £50.

Yes, EA has a habit of dropping services, but I think they'll continue to invest in Origins; it hasn't stopped Titanfall, SimCity, Crysis 3, Mass Effect 3 and Battlefield 4 from selling in huge numbers and EA would almost certainly want some extra form of DRM to accompany their games on top of Steam anyway. Should they dump Origins, they'll just have to replace it with something similar.
最后由 Fork_Q2 编辑于; 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 3:49
Marble 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 4:33 
Competition that lowers pricing is affected by different publishers trying to undercut each other, it has little to do with competition between platforms as Valve don't set the pricing. Competition is still beneficial though, for adding features and just generally improving the user experience which are just as important as prices.

With regards to selling EA games on Steam and Valve's games on Origin, the main issue is that they have core game features baked into the platform itself. If Valve sold Portal 2 on Origin for example, it would still require Steam to be installed as well. Same way that Ubisoft's games require Uplay due to features that are tied to the Uplay client. It could easily be done with Valve and EA's platforms as well, but since they're still not talking to each other it isn't likely to happen any time soon.

And about the free games they give away, it's clearly being used as an attempt to lure people into the Origin ecosystem. Notice as well that these games are all games that have been practically given away before in the EA Humble Bundle. If they can get just 1 out of every 100 people who get the free games to buy another game on Origin later, or DLC even, then they will consider that a success. A great way to expand the customer base and get them familiar with the concept of Origin before they release the next installment of Dragon Age.
Stevenson Family 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 4:34 
引用自 Fork_Q
it hasn't stopped Titanfall, SimCity, Crysis 3, Mass Effect 3 and Battlefield 4 from selling in huge numbers

I wouldnt exactly call Sim City a "success" and Mass Effect 3 was going to sell well despite what EA did to it.

Id also like to know your source on Titanfall sales figures because everything ive heard is that it's completley overrated and a flop. EA have stubbornly refused to say anything about sales figues, companies don't do that when its good.
最后由 Stevenson Family 编辑于; 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 4:34
Fork_Q2 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 5:13 
引用自 Gareth
引用自 Fork_Q
it hasn't stopped Titanfall, SimCity, Crysis 3, Mass Effect 3 and Battlefield 4 from selling in huge numbers

I wouldnt exactly call Sim City a "success"

Being a broken, requiring online access and dumbed down hurt the game, Origins did not. Mass Effect 3 selling well just goes to show that Origin isn't the deal breaker everyone makes it out to be.

Id also like to know your source on Titanfall sales figures because everything ive heard is that it's completley overrated and a flop.

Just googling Titanfall sales figures and I can see that it had topped NPD rankings, beat EA's revenue forecast and still the top title on Origins.

Fork_Q2 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 5:43 
引用自 L-r | Canti #work
Competition that lowers pricing is affected by different publishers trying to undercut each other, it has little to do with competition between platforms as Valve don't set the pricing. Competition is still beneficial though, for adding features and just generally improving the user experience which are just as important as prices.

True. I think Valve could learn a little from EA's refund policy for first party titles at least, the client is a lot nicer and a few other things as well.

With regards to selling EA games on Steam and Valve's games on Origin, the main issue is that they have core game features baked into the platform itself. If Valve sold Portal 2 on Origin for example, it would still require Steam to be installed as well.

Eh, my understanding is that non-game specific code is often added in a way that makes it easily removable from the game itself, otherwise major changes in Steam would also mean having to update the games themselves as well. Also, these Steam-specific features can be disabled - if you ever downloaded and played a game from a less than completely 100% legit source where money does not need to be exchanged between distributor platform and customer, you'd know this.
最后由 Fork_Q2 编辑于; 2014 年 5 月 29 日 上午 5:45
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