Toon King 2 2024 年 5 月 1 日 下午 7:13
My worries over the DMCA and Aaron Peters
Howdy everyone! Harold Roxby Here, King of Toons and Ruler of all Media. And I'm a bit worried about one thing: Aaron Peters, destroyer of Add-Ons, and his DMCA outbursts on Steam. I Uninstalled Garry's Mod because of Aaron's Actions that won the lawsuit. What kind of "Fair Use" and "Parody Law" Don't Aaron & Nintendo understand? Parody law exists for a reason. I mean Fan Parodies in General, Nintendo-Related or not, Should NEVER be a big deal to ANY Studio, Anti-Consumers or not, otherwise they are being greedy and selfish when it comes to their IPs, Copyrights and Assents. What does Nintendo think Aaron Peters is? God? I'll still Respond to that DMCA but Nintendo, Anti-Consumers or Otherwise, need to Respond to the Parody Law. I mean Parodists like me and Al Yankovich still obey it.

Aaron, if you are reading this, whether you won the Lawsuit or not, do the Toon King and the whole Toon Kingdom (AKA the Toon King 2 Universe or the Roxby-verse) a favor....




... AND CLEAN UP YOUR @*#$&( ACT!!

Excuse the king's language everyone. I don't normally curse in forums like this.
最後修改者:Toon King 2; 2024 年 5 月 1 日 下午 7:19
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Spawn of Totoro 2024 年 5 月 2 日 下午 3:55 
引用自 Crystal Sharrd
引用自 Spawn of Totoro

https://steamcommunity.com/games/garrysmod/announcements/detail/4200245595694413053

Facepunch states it was from Nintendo. They likely contacted them to make sure the claims were legitimate.

So there really is no mystery on the matter, nor back and forth. Facepunch is complaying with Nintendo's request.
What I meant by "back and forth" was that one moment people are saying it's Nintendo, then it's a troll, then it's Nintendo again.
I saw that, but I also saw a Tweet where the Garry guy said he was looking into the possibility it wasn't Nintendo.

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783374453562290376

Posted same day as the statement in the store.

Since they didn't change their stance and are continuing to remove such content, it was most likely Nintendo that sent it.
❤ Sly Succubus ❤ 2024 年 5 月 2 日 下午 4:03 
引用自 Crystal Sharrd
引用自 Spawn of Totoro

https://steamcommunity.com/games/garrysmod/announcements/detail/4200245595694413053

Facepunch states it was from Nintendo. They likely contacted them to make sure the claims were legitimate.

So there really is no mystery on the matter, nor back and forth. Facepunch is complaying with Nintendo's request.
What I meant by "back and forth" was that one moment people are saying it's Nintendo, then it's a troll, then it's Nintendo again.
I saw that, but I also saw a Tweet where the Garry guy said he was looking into the possibility it wasn't Nintendo.
To make a long story short, Aaron is not a member of Nintendo America, however that said, he also never once spoke during this entire ordeal, its just a common thing for whenever something in the United States takes place, Aaron is the first and only one to actually take the full brutal blast from the angry cave dwellers online, seriously they did this when Chris was given the role of Mario in the Mario movie.

The worst bit is all this just stems from the most typical one way street and its the most typical one; an angry Gmodder who is making empty claims with literally zero proof that Aaron was even involved altogether.

Its frankly a group of angry Gmodders who lost content and they feel the need to blame the typical escapegoat of Aaron Peters who, for the record, does not even exist.

Aaron is not a real person, its just the cover name Nintendo uses for its number one fan in the United States and his name is not Aaron and he literally is not part of the company, to make it worse altogether the dude is a known member of Gmod's community who prior to this entire drama bomba helped Gmodders stay in line with Nintendo situations.

Ya, its a blown up situation all made up by two angry Gmodders on twitter over a dude who is the cover name for a man who's actually helped Gmod for years prior not get DMCA'd.
Ben Lubar 2024 年 5 月 2 日 下午 4:04 
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
引用自 Crystal Sharrd
What I meant by "back and forth" was that one moment people are saying it's Nintendo, then it's a troll, then it's Nintendo again.
I saw that, but I also saw a Tweet where the Garry guy said he was looking into the possibility it wasn't Nintendo.

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783374453562290376

Posted same day as the statement in the store.

Since they didn't change their stance and are continuing to remove such content, it was most likely Nintendo that sent it.

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783501547361411494
Crystal Sharrd 2024 年 5 月 2 日 下午 4:50 
引用自 Crystal Sharrd
What I meant by "back and forth" was that one moment people are saying it's Nintendo, then it's a troll, then it's Nintendo again.
I saw that, but I also saw a Tweet where the Garry guy said he was looking into the possibility it wasn't Nintendo.
To make a long story short, Aaron is not a member of Nintendo America, however that said, he also never once spoke during this entire ordeal, its just a common thing for whenever something in the United States takes place, Aaron is the first and only one to actually take the full brutal blast from the angry cave dwellers online, seriously they did this when Chris was given the role of Mario in the Mario movie.

The worst bit is all this just stems from the most typical one way street and its the most typical one; an angry Gmodder who is making empty claims with literally zero proof that Aaron was even involved altogether.

Its frankly a group of angry Gmodders who lost content and they feel the need to blame the typical escapegoat of Aaron Peters who, for the record, does not even exist.

Aaron is not a real person, its just the cover name Nintendo uses for its number one fan in the United States and his name is not Aaron and he literally is not part of the company, to make it worse altogether the dude is a known member of Gmod's community who prior to this entire drama bomba helped Gmodders stay in line with Nintendo situations.

Ya, its a blown up situation all made up by two angry Gmodders on twitter over a dude who is the cover name for a man who's actually helped Gmod for years prior not get DMCA'd.
Ah. This whole situation I've even heard the name Aaron Peters, but they made it seem like he had a track record of abusing the DMCA.


引用自 Spawn of Totoro
引用自 Crystal Sharrd
What I meant by "back and forth" was that one moment people are saying it's Nintendo, then it's a troll, then it's Nintendo again.
I saw that, but I also saw a Tweet where the Garry guy said he was looking into the possibility it wasn't Nintendo.

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783374453562290376

Posted same day as the statement in the store.

Since they didn't change their stance and are continuing to remove such content, it was most likely Nintendo that sent it.
Makes sense.
Spawn of Totoro 2024 年 5 月 2 日 下午 9:41 
引用自 Ben Lubar
引用自 Spawn of Totoro

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783374453562290376

Posted same day as the statement in the store.

Since they didn't change their stance and are continuing to remove such content, it was most likely Nintendo that sent it.

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783501547361411494

Thanks. I'm not too familiar with Twitter as I don't have an account and never used it and Google didn't turn up to many results when using it.

Nice to see a direct and definitive answer!
最後修改者:Spawn of Totoro; 2024 年 5 月 2 日 下午 9:41
Ben Lubar 2024 年 5 月 2 日 下午 9:50 
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
引用自 Ben Lubar

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783501547361411494

Thanks. I'm not too familiar with Twitter as I don't have an account and never used it and Google didn't turn up to many results when using it.

Nice to see a direct and definitive answer!

Twitter no longer allows logged out users to see more than one post at a time, and I deleted my account a long time ago, so it was hell to try to find that link.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2024 年 5 月 2 日 下午 10:12 
引用自 Ben Lubar
引用自 Spawn of Totoro

Thanks. I'm not too familiar with Twitter as I don't have an account and never used it and Google didn't turn up to many results when using it.

Nice to see a direct and definitive answer!

Twitter no longer allows logged out users to see more than one post at a time, and I deleted my account a long time ago, so it was hell to try to find that link.

Post 10.

:winterbunny2023:
Toon King 2 2024 年 5 月 14 日 上午 1:24 
Look, Guys, I Like Nintendo. Okay? But I don't like Anti-Consumerism in general. I understand that Nintendo states "No Money, No Fun", but Nintendo needs to learn that Money isn't everything. Besides, Nintendo-Related or not, it's not Copyright Infringement to make fan games, Fan media nor Fan art because they count as fan parodies. We are Fan Parodists but we are not Color Dreams. If Nintendo doesn't like my opinion on Fan Games, then maybe we should settle this in the court server of Discord online. Besides I just want this Anti-Consumerism to stop. That DMCA crap just destroys the U.S. Freedom of Choice. :steamfacepalm:
最後修改者:Toon King 2; 2024 年 5 月 14 日 上午 1:33
nullable 2024 年 5 月 14 日 上午 5:54 
引用自 Toon King 2
Look, Guys, I Like Nintendo. Okay? But I don't like Anti-Consumerism in general. I understand that Nintendo states "No Money, No Fun", but Nintendo needs to learn that Money isn't everything. Besides, Nintendo-Related or not, it's not Copyright Infringement to make fan games, Fan media nor Fan art because they count as fan parodies. We are Fan Parodists but we are not Color Dreams. If Nintendo doesn't like my opinion on Fan Games, then maybe we should settle this in the court server of Discord online. Besides I just want this Anti-Consumerism to stop. That DMCA crap just destroys the U.S. Freedom of Choice. :steamfacepalm:

At some point the law is the law. And Nintendo isn't obligated to pretend like laws don't exist because you think that would be great. And whether you like it or not, letting people use your IP in all their fan projects may not be the best thing from a business perspective. There's issues you don't understand and there's necessities in protecting copyrights and IP you don't understand.

Your self-serving "pro-consumerism" attitudes where the rights you imagine are the only ones that matter amazingly isn't how the world works, and yet you're shocked that Nintendo deals with reality rather than your fantasy.

Maybe while Nintendo is learning "money isn't everything" you should learn a bit more about copyright laws and all the little wrinkles you don't think matter, but if it was your billion dollar IP, and not protecting it would have serious consequences, you'd be singing a different tune.
Toon King 2 2024 年 5 月 14 日 上午 7:18 
引用自 nullable
引用自 Toon King 2
Look, Guys, I Like Nintendo. Okay? But I don't like Anti-Consumerism in general. I understand that Nintendo states "No Money, No Fun", but Nintendo needs to learn that Money isn't everything. Besides, Nintendo-Related or not, it's not Copyright Infringement to make fan games, Fan media nor Fan art because they count as fan parodies. We are Fan Parodists but we are not Color Dreams. If Nintendo doesn't like my opinion on Fan Games, then maybe we should settle this in the court server of Discord online. Besides I just want this Anti-Consumerism to stop. That DMCA crap just destroys the U.S. Freedom of Choice. :steamfacepalm:

At some point the law is the law. And Nintendo isn't obligated to pretend like laws don't exist because you think that would be great. And whether you like it or not, letting people use your IP in all their fan projects may not be the best thing from a business perspective. There's issues you don't understand and there's necessities in protecting copyrights and IP you don't understand.

Your self-serving "pro-consumerism" attitudes where the rights you imagine are the only ones that matter amazingly isn't how the world works, and yet you're shocked that Nintendo deals with reality rather than your fantasy.

Maybe while Nintendo is learning "money isn't everything" you should learn a bit more about copyright laws and all the little wrinkles you don't think matter, but if it was your billion dollar IP, and not protecting it would have serious consequences, you'd be singing a different tune.

Now see here, Nully, I know that law is the law and the law does exist in Nintendo's Perspective because that is MY perspective, but still I'm not going to use Garry's Mod until that DMCA garbage is lifted for good. You can't ban Fan Projects from the internet and you can't ban Parodies from it either. Can't you see? Some staff member of Nintendo of either America or Japan, whether working for Shigeru Miyamoto or Doug Bowser, is going mad with power. Some same staff member is the one that ruined Newgrounds, almost ruined SMG4 and already destroyed SuperMarioLogan. If that same Nintendo Staff member ruins Toon King 2's Mario and Friends Comics on Deviantart or any other Nintendo Fan's Projects all over the internet, then there will be an apocalypse to all online Fandom in general. That's why I worry about the DMCA takedowns and the Cease and Desist notices. They destroy lives of fans everywhere. Some lawfully evil dictating Nintendo staff member, lawyer or not, has summoned this "Aaron Peters" Son of a monkey to do such racial thing. But the question is... Which Nintendo Staff Member is that dictator (and I don't take kindly to dictators)?
最後修改者:Toon King 2; 2024 年 5 月 14 日 上午 7:34
Crashed 2024 年 5 月 14 日 上午 9:05 
If you have content taken down fraudulently, I do believe Valve offers as required by law the ability to file a counter notice.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2024 年 5 月 14 日 上午 9:10 
引用自 Crashed
If you have content taken down fraudulently, I do believe Valve offers as required by law the ability to file a counter notice.

It's all how a DMCA works. https://www.dmca.com/FAQ/What-is-a-DMCA-Counter-Notice

:winterbunny2023:
videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 2024 年 5 月 14 日 下午 8:51 
引用自 nullable
引用自 Toon King 2
Look, Guys, I Like Nintendo. Okay? But I don't like Anti-Consumerism in general. I understand that Nintendo states "No Money, No Fun", but Nintendo needs to learn that Money isn't everything. Besides, Nintendo-Related or not, it's not Copyright Infringement to make fan games, Fan media nor Fan art because they count as fan parodies. We are Fan Parodists but we are not Color Dreams. If Nintendo doesn't like my opinion on Fan Games, then maybe we should settle this in the court server of Discord online. Besides I just want this Anti-Consumerism to stop. That DMCA crap just destroys the U.S. Freedom of Choice. :steamfacepalm:

At some point the law is the law. And Nintendo isn't obligated to pretend like laws don't exist because you think that would be great. And whether you like it or not, letting people use your IP in all their fan projects may not be the best thing from a business perspective. There's issues you don't understand and there's necessities in protecting copyrights and IP you don't understand.

Your self-serving "pro-consumerism" attitudes where the rights you imagine are the only ones that matter amazingly isn't how the world works, and yet you're shocked that Nintendo deals with reality rather than your fantasy.

Maybe while Nintendo is learning "money isn't everything" you should learn a bit more about copyright laws and all the little wrinkles you don't think matter, but if it was your billion dollar IP, and not protecting it would have serious consequences, you'd be singing a different tune.

You do realize these follow under parody and thsu fair user right? This isn't the law, and Nintendo has no right to make these claims to begin with, steam and Facepunch both facilitating illegal removal of material under false legal claims is serious. Even if you disagree on the details of the law you have to grasp people arent calling this contentious purely because they hate IP law, but because this is a clear breach of basic parody
SLG 2024 年 5 月 14 日 下午 9:51 
If a modder used something directly from the game that is not fair use, the developers can report you. It does depend on the games which is considered fair use or copyright. This exactly happened in the Zoo Tycoon 2 modding community. A design team create a user-made expansion. It lasted for years until Microsoft noticed that it contained copyrighted coding.
最後修改者:SLG; 2024 年 5 月 14 日 下午 9:56
D. Flame 2024 年 5 月 14 日 下午 9:54 
Nintendo doesn't care. They have enough money to ignore the law.

When the only punishment for breaking the law is an insignificant fine, then they just view it as "a cost of doing business.

Nintendo has literally been accused and convicted of illegal price fixing in the past. You might have noticed that BotW on the failed console was still $60 years later, even when other games from that same time (on far more popular systems) were already at $20 or below, and that was when the Switch version of the game was available as well.

Curious, right?

As for the lawsuits, they will take it too court then just delay, delay, delay until the other party runs out of money to pay their lawyers, and Nintendo can win by default.

The court system isn't set up to be fair. It is setup to protect the rich.
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