Why did you silence Sweet Baby Inc Detected?

[Vincent]

I have to ask steam, why you chose to completely shut down communication on that group. The group says its because they have received too many reports and flags. But I know this to just be a bunch of "Activists" trying to silence people they don't agree with using false reports.

Aside from that why are you actively protecting these people that are blatantly racist? Have you seen the garbage they post on the internet? What the hell is wrong with you steam? Are the moderators filled with White hating racists too? Oh I just saw someone else banned for speaking out against you. You better grow some thicker skin. You better let people talk about the things they want to talk about.

Why are you defending this waste of space and resources, this disgusting excuse for a company.
They do Absolutely 0, Nil, nothing. Not a damn thing that's actually useful or meaningful.

[HulaGirl86]

Space is the Place původně napsal:

This thread is pure comedy, the people trying to "take down" any game company that hired a consulting company (out of the several they hire per game or have long contracts with the devs, being happening for more than 20 years by now, but ok, act surpraise) crying over being "policed and silenced".

We really need a study to determinate when and why do people falling into the alt-right rabbithole lost their ability to perceive irony.

Keep it up plis, my ban list it´s not happy unless I block 20 conspiranoid wackos per day.

How are they "taking down" the company?
I am being serious. What action taken has silenced Sweet Baby Inc. in any way?

[Space is the Place]

HulaGirl86 původně napsal:

How are they "taking down" the company?
I am being serious. What action taken has silenced Sweet Baby Inc. in any way?

Read again, "any game company that hired a consulting company".

Nobody is taking down anything, but surely people are trying to slow sales of any game that used that company as consultant. And the proof is present in every single game forums that appear on that curator´s list. Even games that nobody care for and had very slow and quiet forums, SUDDENLY, 5 threads about Sweet Baby Inc.

THUS, my statement is correct they are efectively trying to hit companies that hired Sweet Baby Inc because they really think spamming that supposedly super important information will make future buyers go "Oh wait, I´ll not buy this one after finding out about this" (which is the exact same fake response all the curator followers are using on the forums of those games I´m pretty sure most of them were unaware they even existed)

Pretty clear what this users are trying. But if you don´t want to see it, or you want to misconstruct what i said, hey, you do you buddy.

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This thread is a perfect example why people should get proper information before taking action, cuz then OP would know that the group wasn't "silenced" by anyone other than the creator who made it.

Because he and the chosen moderation staff for it, didn't have the capability to filter through all the posts and remove the ones that broke ToS. So instead, the creator opted to just delete all the discussions.

This, however, hasn't silenced the group itself, or the creator themselves.

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Vincent původně napsal:

HikariLight původně napsal:

The people demanding Free Speech don't understand how it actually works.

It does not mean freedom from the consequences.
You could say you hate someone, but depending on HOW you say it and WHO the person is, you could be arrested or banned, depending on if you said it in a forum or in the streets.

It's not freedom of speech though if you can be arrested or banned. That's controlling speech. Sure there should be consequences. Social consequences, law shouldn't be involved. And no, banning people from discussion does not count as social consequence.

You're confusing Free Speech and Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Speech cites that congress/the government cannot limit your speech in any way, private property owners (such as Steam) can still show you the door if they don't like what you have to say.


Free Speech is a concept, because Free Speech is speech without consequence. If Free Speech were a true concept, I'd be able to say whatever I wanted, whether you like it or not, to your face, in open public, or on an open forum, with zero consequence.

For example, if true Free Speech existed, I'd be able to leak your address and banking details, with no consequence. Or, I'd be able to say whatever I'd like about you, your family, kids, partner, etc, without you punching me in the face.

[William Shakesman]

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

Vincent původně napsal:

It's not freedom of speech though if you can be arrested or banned. That's controlling speech. Sure there should be consequences. Social consequences, law shouldn't be involved. And no, banning people from discussion does not count as social consequence.

You're confusing Free Speech and Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Speech cites that congress/the government cannot limit your speech in any way, private property owners (such as Steam) can still show you the door if they don't like what you have to say.


Free Speech is a concept, because Free Speech is speech without consequence. If Free Speech were a true concept, I'd be able to say whatever I wanted, whether you like it or not, to your face, in open public, or on an open forum, with zero consequence.

For example, if true Free Speech existed, I'd be able to leak your address and banking details, with no consequence. Or, I'd be able to say whatever I'd like about you, your family, kids, partner, etc, without you punching me in the face.

I weep for the state of civics education in this nation that this is what people think of in terms of free speech.

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William Shakesman původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

You're confusing Free Speech and Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Speech cites that congress/the government cannot limit your speech in any way, private property owners (such as Steam) can still show you the door if they don't like what you have to say.


Free Speech is a concept, because Free Speech is speech without consequence. If Free Speech were a true concept, I'd be able to say whatever I wanted, whether you like it or not, to your face, in open public, or on an open forum, with zero consequence.

For example, if true Free Speech existed, I'd be able to leak your address and banking details, with no consequence. Or, I'd be able to say whatever I'd like about you, your family, kids, partner, etc, without you punching me in the face.

I weep for the state of civics education in this nation that this is what people think of in terms of free speech.

I weep for anyone who tries to cite the first amendment whenever they get a forum ban.

[William Shakesman]

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

William Shakesman původně napsal:

I weep for the state of civics education in this nation that this is what people think of in terms of free speech.

I weep for anyone who tries to cite the first amendment whenever they get a forum ban.

So true.

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William Shakesman původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

I weep for anyone who tries to cite the first amendment whenever they get a forum ban.

So true.

Fact of the matter is, there is no speech without consequence. Likely anywhere in the world.

[William Shakesman]

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

William Shakesman původně napsal:

So true.

Fact of the matter is, there is no speech without consequence. Likely anywhere in the world.

Definitional drift hit that concept hard. From Americas founding blasphemy laws existed alongside the first amendment and nobody batted an eye. Porn wasn't speech until fairly recently.

To be fair I don't think it is all that different today, we just have a very different definition of blasphemy now.

[Vincent]

Space is the Place původně napsal:

HulaGirl86 původně napsal:

How are they "taking down" the company?
I am being serious. What action taken has silenced Sweet Baby Inc. in any way?

Read again, "any game company that hired a consulting company".

Nobody is taking down anything, but surely people are trying to slow sales of any game that used that company as consultant. And the proof is present in every single game forums that appear on that curator´s list. Even games that nobody care for and had very slow and quiet forums, SUDDENLY, 5 threads about Sweet Baby Inc.

THUS, my statement is correct they are efectively trying to hit companies that hired Sweet Baby Inc because they really think spamming that supposedly super important information will make future buyers go "Oh wait, I´ll not buy this one after finding out about this" (which is the exact same fake response all the curator followers are using on the forums of those games I´m pretty sure most of them were unaware they even existed)

Pretty clear what this users are trying. But if you don´t want to see it, or you want to misconstruct what i said, hey, you do you buddy.

Yeah consulting companies have existed a long time. Not for inane bull like this though. I don't recall any companies like this in the 90s or the aughts. Seems like a pretty recent development to me and only for the worse.

They don't believe in what they say. Look at the things these people have said on their social medias. The things they've said on VIDEO. Literally telling people that if no one listens, you should terrify them. That they should tell those who don't listen that if they don't. There will be consequences, its laughable that this company wants any good.

How about this, they really believe in what they say? How about they go to Saudi Arabia or Iran. Countries that actually need that sort of activism. Why not? I'll tell you why, these people don't actually believe in their rhetoric. They spout racism, they advocate for using coercion, they live their entire life. Trying to be offended by everything they possibly can, so that they can rally a mob against it. If SBI deserves anything, its definitely to burn.

I'll say it again. If these people really believe in their activism. They would be in the middle east, or other countries where women are actually oppressed. Where brutal things actually happen. But no, they don't.

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William Shakesman původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

Fact of the matter is, there is no speech without consequence. Likely anywhere in the world.

Definitional drift hit that concept hard. From Americas founding blasphemy laws existed alongside the first amendment and nobody batted an eye. Porn wasn't speech until fairly recently.

To be fair I don't think it is all that different today, we just have a very different definition of blasphemy now.

Well we're not even safe from the government in our variations of speech. Such as actionable threats, disturbing the peace, or public nuisance bylaws. Doxxing is "just words" too and is actionable by the law.

[Toast]

Vincent původně napsal:

I'll say it again. If these people really believe in their activism. They would be in the middle east, or other countries where women are actually oppressed. Where brutal things actually happen. But no, they don't.

Arguing with these guys just feels like a waste of time, even when you approach it, with objective fact. They don’t want to hear it. They’ve been conditioned to believe they can’t be wrong. Or they simply, don’t want to admit they’re wrong.

They call everyone that disagrees with them a racist or a bigot, yet their entire movement is based on identity politics. I find it very ironic. Only way we will really make a change is through our actions. Words are beyond these types of people.

Once game companies start taking hits, like Nike, and bud light. They will change on their own.

[grizzlyyy]

So basically, this is a green light to go into any community you disagree with and post inflammatory things until their discussion board and other forms of community communication get shut down. Bravo steam, bang up job as usual. Instead of not getting involved, you further fan the flames.

I miss the days when steam wasn't infested with soy-based life forms.

[William Shakesman]

grizzlyyy původně napsal:

So basically, this is a green light to go into any community you disagree with and post inflammatory things until their discussion board and other forms of community communication get shut down. Bravo steam, bang up job as usual. Instead of not getting involved, you further fan the flames.

I miss the days when steam wasn't infested with soy-based life forms.

The typical corporate response to this sort of thing is to delete the group entirely, so just shutting down discussion is relatively restrained.

But yes, this is the typical tactic of that half of the internet and they have had a perpetual green light to use it for years.

[Vincent]

grizzlyyy původně napsal:

So basically, this is a green light to go into any community you disagree with and post inflammatory things until their discussion board and other forms of community communication get shut down. Bravo steam, bang up job as usual. Instead of not getting involved, you further fan the flames.

I miss the days when steam wasn't infested with soy-based life forms.

My dude, I miss the old Internet. So very much.