devs should prioritize 144hz fps otimzation not 60 still

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

legit who cares if the game looks good at 60, everyone has 144hz monitors now a days and rather have high fps than play at the horrible 60 fps. people lie a lot and say the eye thing but you can legit feel the smoothness of higher fps. i can't believe devs think people care about 60 fps now a days but think its for 4k players.

[Yujah]

Автор сообщения: Muppet among Puppets

If you need a new one, 24 inches is fine, 1080 is fine.

And in fact, if buying 1080, 24" is sort of optimal. I have a 27" 1080 panel and while it's in fact completely fine for me and from the distance I'm sitting at, I even with non-stellar vision do not want to lean in too close lest I'm seeing individual pixels.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Its not even because of the pixels.
For example, i played a game fine with my old computer, mid range grafic card. A friend with a younger computer of the same spectrum always complained.
Then he got a new modern computer, that needs way more cooling. And got the same fps as i (around 80).

The difference: I play 1080, the friend something beyond that. Dont know how its called, instead of 1920 its something above 2000.

If you buy the wrong monitor, you might need a better computer.

[Yujah]

Well, certainly. The most standard resolutions are

1. 1920x1080, i.e., 2073600 pixels (colloquially, "Full HD" or "1080p")
2. 2560x1440, i.e., 3686400 pixels, i.e., 1.78 times 1. above ("1440p")
3. 3840x2160, i.e., 8294400 pixels, i.e., 4 times 1. above ("4K")

You are definitely going to need an especially more capable GPU to attain the same maximum framerate with then 1.78 or 4 times more pixels to push per frame (without DLSS/FSR software upscaling),

At the time of writing 1080p can be called sort of "meh" but 4K still mostly unrealistic unless you want to spend serious money on CPU and especially GPU, again certainly when not wanting to use software upscaling. 1440p is sort of sweet-spot if 1080p is not better for other reasons...

[Shaggin'Wagon]

The bottom line is this: Monitors that only do 60hz only and nothing higher are very old, ancient even, and most likely not going to be produced in the coming years. They are already increasingly difficult to find new. Almost all new monitors and panels will all be high refresh rate in the future. Everyone should adopt it sooner rather than later.

[Yujah]

Автор сообщения: Shaggin'Wagon

Everyone should adopt it sooner rather than later.

Why? You just argued that they will be there for ever more in the future anyway. I.e., no rush.

[Satoru]

This is sort of the same thing of people insisting their ultra wide screen monitors are like 'the thing' when they barely even are a rounding error on the steam hardware survey

People with high refresh rate monitors, are by definition a niche market.

The #1 way you can make a developer absolutely positively not care about your problem is to call them lazy because they won't cater to your ultra-mega niche problem

[Muppet among Puppets]

Автор сообщения: Satoru

This is sort of the same thing of people insisting their ultra wide screen monitors are like 'the thing' when they barely even are a rounding error on the steam hardware survey

People with high refresh rate monitors, are by definition a niche market.

If i buy a monitor, i make sure it has the important things.
And each time i did that, it was also a 144hz monitor.

Led monitors have some "requirements" you need to look for.
The monitor will be the thing you will look at. So, better make a good choice.

[crunchyfrog]

Автор сообщения: Muppet among Puppets

Автор сообщения: Satoru

This is sort of the same thing of people insisting their ultra wide screen monitors are like 'the thing' when they barely even are a rounding error on the steam hardware survey

People with high refresh rate monitors, are by definition a niche market.

If i buy a monitor, i make sure it has the important things.
And each time i did that, it was also a 144hz monitor.

Led monitors have some "requirements" you need to look for.
The monitor will be the thing you will look at. So, better make a good choice.

Way to miss the point.

Again what part of this demosntrates you aren't a niche part of the data?

[Muppet among Puppets]

Автор сообщения: crunchyfrog

Автор сообщения: Muppet among Puppets

If i buy a monitor, i make sure it has the important things.
And each time i did that, it was also a 144hz monitor.

Led monitors have some "requirements" you need to look for.
The monitor will be the thing you will look at. So, better make a good choice.

Way to miss the point.

Again what part of this demosntrates you aren't a niche part of the data?

The "niche part" part of the discussion is about what should be the thing to aim for in development.

If there are numbers, i am sure, its not the absolute number of people who informed made their choice to get a 60hz monitor, which probably is missing other things.

60fps should be what a game aims for at least. As thats what is fine to play at.

What i talk about is what i recommend people to consider when buying a thing you look at for years.
The monitor is one of the most important things for a computer.

[crunchyfrog]

Автор сообщения: Muppet among Puppets

Автор сообщения: crunchyfrog

Way to miss the point.

Again what part of this demosntrates you aren't a niche part of the data?

The "niche part" part of the discussion is about what should be the thing to aim for in development.

If there are numbers, i am sure, its not the absolute number of people who informed made their choice to get a 60hz monitor, which probably is missing other things.

60fps should be what a game aims for at least. As thats what is fine to play at.

What i talk about is what i recommend people to consider when buying a thing you look at for years.
The monitor is one of the most important things for a computer.

None of that changes the point that you said it wasn't niche. There's no evidence of that. Quite the opposite.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Автор сообщения: crunchyfrog

Автор сообщения: Muppet among Puppets

The "niche part" part of the discussion is about what should be the thing to aim for in development.

If there are numbers, i am sure, its not the absolute number of people who informed made their choice to get a 60hz monitor, which probably is missing other things.

60fps should be what a game aims for at least. As thats what is fine to play at.

What i talk about is what i recommend people to consider when buying a thing you look at for years.
The monitor is one of the most important things for a computer.

None of that changes the point that you said it wasn't niche. There's no evidence of that. Quite the opposite.

I did not talk about niche,
without numbers every side is speculative.

If someone wants a game that runs with 144fps, they can reduce settings.
Frame locked games are not that common.
Thats why i dont even know what we discuss about.
I give recommendations, along the way.

I initially asked, what the headline even means. In two ways:
What does the headline mean?
and
What does that mean for games?

[Thermal Lance]

Автор сообщения: REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY

Автор сообщения: BOTThermal Lance v1.0 RC2

60 FPS is alright. Beyond 60 FPS is something I consider a luxury.

not really, its normal now a days and def worth it

I have a game I can play at a stable 144hz on this laptop. Is it better? Yes. Is it absolutely necessary for me to have a good time? No. 60fps is a good sweetspot for framerate. I think you underestimate the amount of people who are fine with a good experience and are unwilling to spend god knows how much just to reach higher framerates when it isn't an absolute necessity to have a good time.

[Stellar Remnant]

Автор сообщения: Spawn of Totoro

Автор сообщения: REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY

legit who cares if the game looks good at 60, everyone has 144hz monitors now a days and rather have high fps than play at the horrible 60 fps. people lie a lot and say the eye thing but you can legit feel the smoothness of higher fps. i can't believe devs think people care about 60 fps now a days but think its for 4k players.

"Everyone?" No, not really.

Mine is 75hz max. Wife and son's is 60hz.

People not noticing a difference isn't them lying.

Most gamers I know have between 60 and 120hz, with a few at 144hz. Those with 144hz are hardcore gamers, whose lives tend to revolve around gaming. The rest of us are just regular gamers, who simply play for fun and/or socializing and don't have a need to go above what we have.

Developers try to make their games run close to the lowest point as it gains them more sales. And if they can get a game to look great and run at 60hz, then that is their priority. Anything more, you are free to drop graphics quality to achieve. The balance is up to the individual.

It depends on the game you play. Have you ever visited https://www.testufo.com/ ? You'll need a 144hz monitor to see the difference, but it can be astounding.

disclaimer: I do not have a 144hz monitor so I do not know what difference it makes. But based on 15 to 30 to 60, I can imagine.

[Muppet among Puppets]

If you have more than 60 hz monitor, compare how the circle looks if you move mouse in a circle fast. "How many arrows you see".
With 60 fps you just see some.
Thats the example how much "information" you miss if something moves fast on screen.

It is significant.
You can only test that difference if you can switch above 60hz.

If that is a problem for you, is a question you need to answer for yourself.

[Yujah]

Автор сообщения: Muppet among Puppets

If that is a problem for you, is a question you need to answer for yourself.

I just got nauseous and now have a motion-sickness headache from MiniHerc's link (at 165Hz) so for me the answer is that I'm fine with keeping things down a bit...