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76561198095142420 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 2:53
Why are games so expensive now?
I was looking at the price of starfield $70 and DLC for Total War warhmmaer 3 which is $25. There was a time when bug-free games were $25-30. There wasn't anything as internet updates and games did not feel broken or crash that much. This may have to do with the cost of running a studio now and people spending exorbitantly on high-end GPUs. Personally, I am still running a gtx 1080 and refuse to buy expensive games. I just wanted to know what does the community think about this.
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Crazy Tiger 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 3:46 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
引用自 Crazy Tiger
A gamer is a person who enjoys playing games, they're all actual gamers. Doesn't matter if it's 10 or 1 hour a day, doesn't matter if it's on PC or mobile and it doesn't matter if it's big rpgs or match 3.

I don't do nonsense labels like "casual gamer" or "actual gamer" (also often called "real gamer" or "hardcore gamer" by themselves), that's just people trying to make themselves special or trying to devalue others for enjoying the hobby differently.
That's not at all what the difinition of gamer is, nor has it ever been even close to what you are saying.
There is no "definition of gamer", it's all personal preference and subjective opinion.

So, agree to disagree I guess.
Eagle_of_Fire 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:03 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
That's not at all what the difinition of gamer is, nor has it ever been even close to what you are saying.
There is no "definition of gamer", it's all personal preference and subjective opinion.

So, agree to disagree I guess.
Yeah, let's just ask people to agree with you to completely ignore terms which has been coined at least 25 years ago. Make sense. Not.

引用自 Zarineth
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
That's not at all what the difinition of gamer is, nor has it ever been even close to what you are saying.


Being a gamer is elitism to begin with. That's part of the definition. You think that an e-sport player consider himself as an average player in the world? A top world ranked tennis player? A pro player in any kind of sport? A painter who'd doing this as a hobby for 20 years and now sell his paintings enough to consider it a good sideline?

I play 3 to 6 hours on average every single day. Sorry if the truth hurt you people but that's still the truth that someone who just play 4 hours every weekend is not at my level. Nor will he expect the same quality of game than I will after sustaining this for like 30 years.
So if I spend more time at gaming than you (which I do, to the unhealthy levels sometimes), then I am more of a gamer and my opinion is worth more?
Unless you are getting paid to play games (which is the actual threshold definition of a Pro whatever) then you are pretty much at the same level than I am. Which is, a gamer. Or an hardcore gamer if you prefer. The amount of time you play is completely irrelevant past a certain threshold.

But yes, to answer your question: obviously someone who has ten times the knowledge in a field in comparison to someone who barely touch it and know next to nothing in it is obviously going to be worth more than the other guy when discussing that particular field of interest. That's, again, the very definition of a specialisation in our day, time and age. Why do you contract a carpenter to build walls of a house instead of just taking anybody else walking on the street? Same for a painter? Or any other specialisation which exist in the construction industry (of which there has to be like a hundred different kind)?

引用自 Anxiety
"I read a book 3 to 6 hours on average every single day. Sorry if the truth hurt you people but that's still the truth that someone who just read 4 hours every weekend is not at my level. Nor will he expect the same quality of reading than I will after sustaining this for like 30 years."

The book: Awaken the Giant Within by Tony Robbins
Completely disingenuous comment from you here. Only reason why I even bring it up instead of completely ignoring it is that the same thing also happen in gaming. For example I don't consider someone who play only FPS games as a gamer. More like a specialised person who only do that (playing FPSes). A real gamer is interested in the industry as a whole and is open to play anything, not only one specific subset of it.

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Seriously tho, this is a perfect example of the Gen Z problem. People who grew up and accepted the fact that they hold the perfect sum of knowledge ever created in the palm of their hands since as long as they remember but refuse to use it to check out anything, leading to completely made up things, words or concepts. Perfect example: the term "boomer" which, by "definition", relate to people older than the person who use it. While any normally constituted individual is going to think it relate to the term "baby boomer", a term coined so many decades ago it's not even funny. With an actual reason and history behind it. While the term "boomer" is just a made up term which follow up on that old "baby boomer" one without any kind of logic behind it.

"Gamer" is just the same thing. It has been coined, like I've already said, like 25 years ago. But now people just pretend it doesn't. For convenience I guess? It just make no sense whatsoever.
最后由 Eagle_of_Fire 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:04
Anxiety 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:11 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
Seriously tho, this is a perfect example of the Gen Z problem.
>>> continues to rant about people who misuse terms

Suuuuure, whatever :slimetabby:

"Gamer" is not a profession. It's a hobby. It does not need definitions and "specialisations". Deal with it. Or don't.

Sorry if the truth hurt you.
最后由 Anxiety 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:16
Eagle_of_Fire 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:14 
引用自 Anxiety
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
Seriously tho, this is a perfect example of the Gen Z problem.
>>> continues to rant about people who misuse terms

Suuuuure, whatever :slimetabby:

"Gamer" is not a profession. It's a hobby. It does not need definitions and "specialisations". Deal with it. Or don't.
The fact, like I've said it numerous times already, that what you are describing has already been established decades ago tend to greatly disagree with you.
Anxiety 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:29 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
The fact, like I've said it numerous times already, that what you are describing has already been established decades ago tend to greatly disagree with you.
Yeah, suuuure, whatever.

I've had my share of arguing with "professional gamuuhrs" in early 00's, who aggressively and clumsily tried to defend their chosen identity against perceived threats, and also force some kind of hierarchy onto everyone else. I thought it was an age thing then. It's so embarassing and amusing to see those same claims now. It's a waste of time, but some people just never grow up, I guess.
最后由 Anxiety 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:31
Crazy Tiger 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:37 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
引用自 Crazy Tiger
There is no "definition of gamer", it's all personal preference and subjective opinion.

So, agree to disagree I guess.
Yeah, let's just ask people to agree with you to completely ignore terms which has been coined at least 25 years ago. Make sense. Not.
I've been gaming for far longer than that and there has never been a "coined definition" for it all. Just because people have some thoughts about things doesn't make them coined or standard or anything. It's just their opinion, that's all.
D. Flame 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 4:53 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
Yeah, let's just ask people to agree with you to completely ignore terms which has been coined at least 25 years ago. Make sense. Not.
I've been gaming for far longer than that and there has never been a "coined definition" for it all. Just because people have some thoughts about things doesn't make them coined or standard or anything. It's just their opinion, that's all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer
Anxiety 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 5:11 
引用自 D. Flame
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer
Disclaimer: This article contains weasel words: vague phrasing that often accompanies biased or unverifiable information.

Nice try :slimetabby:

Though I don't necessarily disagree with "A gamer is a proactive hobbyist <...> who plays games", depending on degree of "proactive".
最后由 Anxiety 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 5:26
Donald Trump 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 5:29 
if a game is 70-80€ it HAS to be good...

...buuuuut... there are some releases that are expensive AND trash at the same time, real shame
Eagle_of_Fire 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 5:59 
引用自 Anxiety
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
The fact, like I've said it numerous times already, that what you are describing has already been established decades ago tend to greatly disagree with you.
Yeah, suuuure, whatever.

I've had my share of arguing with "professional gamuuhrs" in early 00's, who aggressively and clumsily tried to defend their chosen identity against perceived threats, and also force some kind of hierarchy onto everyone else. I thought it was an age thing then. It's so embarassing and amusing to see those same claims now. It's a waste of time, but some people just never grow up, I guess.
From my own point of view is has more to do with people, like you, who refuse to face the truth and the reality of things.
cinedine 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 6:14 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
引用自 Crazy Tiger
Game devs/publishers pay attention to purchasing habits and behaviour by users. We customers are more responsible for certain pricing strategies than people think.
That's the main problem tho. There is a far greater majority of people who qualify themselves as "gamers" but once you talk to them they're barely a casual, even less an actual gamer. It is no wonder actual gamers feel out of touch with the industry.

Uhm, no.
The problem are those "elite gamerz" who are out of touch. You need to realize that you are the one percent. You are the one out of touch with the rest of the video game playing world.

That goes for everybody who is "in too deep". In table-top wargaming you have tournament players who will voice their opinion about everything and demanding better balancing for niche troops or more tactical options and what not, not realizing that 99 % of players usually do so in a beer & pretzel manner among friends.

The main difference between gaming and other hobbies or sports is that people are usually supportive towards amateurs and happy when someone gets into their thing. "Real Gamerz" are mainly jerks.

My top played game on Steam is Gems of War with close to 3.5k hours (and many more on mobile). The second one is Euro Truck Simulator with 1.1k followed closely by Clicker Heroes and with a wide margin by a bunch of other idle games.
What does this make me? A gamer by your definition? A hardcore casual?
Crazy Tiger 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 6:55 
引用自 D. Flame
引用自 Crazy Tiger
I've been gaming for far longer than that and there has never been a "coined definition" for it all. Just because people have some thoughts about things doesn't make them coined or standard or anything. It's just their opinion, that's all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer
Wikipedia is not an authority. It's a website where random people can edit things.

That said, the Wikipedia article funnily enough shows there is no actual unified, standardised definition, just how the word is fluid and gets interpreted by different views. So, no coined or standard about it, just the usual way language works.

引用自 cinedine
My top played game on Steam is Gems of War with close to 3.5k hours (and many more on mobile).
I only play on mobile occassionally, but I've been playing it for I think 4 or 5 years now. Never dropped a dime in the game, but I love that it's not necessary either.

引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
引用自 Anxiety
Yeah, suuuure, whatever.

I've had my share of arguing with "professional gamuuhrs" in early 00's, who aggressively and clumsily tried to defend their chosen identity against perceived threats, and also force some kind of hierarchy onto everyone else. I thought it was an age thing then. It's so embarassing and amusing to see those same claims now. It's a waste of time, but some people just never grow up, I guess.
From my own point of view is has more to do with people, like you, who refuse to face the truth and the reality of things.
That is quite ironic considering you refuse to face the truth and reality that a non-standardised phrase is subjective.
最后由 Crazy Tiger 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 6:56
Tito Shivan 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 7:03 
引用自 cinedine
Uhm, no.
The problem are those "elite gamerz" who are out of touch. You need to realize that you are the one percent. You are the one out of touch with the rest of the video game playing world.
People who use 'gamer' as a segregationist term or people who use it as a cohesive one.

Every hobby has its share of gatekeepers. Playing videogames is such a heterogenous hobby than anyone trying to gatekeep can only paint themselves in a corner.

Hence why I like to say I'm not a 'gamer', but a 'guy who plays videogames'
Anxiety 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 7:09 
引用自 Tito Shivan
People who use 'gamer' as a segregationist term or people who use it as a cohesive one.

Every hobby has its share of gatekeepers. Playing videogames is such a heterogenous hobby than anyone trying to gatekeep can only paint themselves in a corner.

Hence why I like to say I'm not a 'gamer', but a 'guy who plays videogames'
Actually, where I live, the word "gamer" has strong derogatory connotations amongst the general public, much like (or even worse than) "blogger".

So, uhm, there's that.
最后由 Anxiety 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 7:19
Brian9824 2023 年 10 月 9 日 上午 7:23 
As already stated game prices if anything are lower now by far then they were 20 years ago. I paid $60-70 for SNES games which is $150+ today, and only had a fraction of the content games today have.

Not to mention there are tons of games available priced anywhere from $.99 going up to $70. Your aren't limited to only buying $70 games.
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