Anyone else uneven by the ongoing early access titles in Steam?

[Herboren]

I grew up in the 90's and the games that were in development for N64, SNES took nearly a year or two. PC games on average take 2-5 years to develop and that doesn't count the AAA titles which can take more. I know some Indie games are solo pro's who have no financial stability, but some have pushed beyond the threshold of 'too long'.

I know developers could really care less about my input so long as a dime lands in their pocket. But, these early access titles should provide demos to their game if they want support for their development. Sure, I could buy it an refund it in two hours, but kind of wish it was like the 90's where ps1/pc gamer magazine had a demo disc you could get from purchasing a magazine (or steal it most of the time). Baffles me that majority of these games here don't already do that; it kind of ruins the authenticity.

Then there is selling underdeveloped games by removing it from early access (Yes Icarus, I am talking about you; and 'This land is my land') that I was hoping for. At which point does the majority rule and say enough is enough. No.. I am not saying boycott the facade, but I just feel like there needs to be more control between both parties; gamers and developers, to make a clear and concise decision about when to purchase a product and when to serve a finished product.

Always open to change my view.

[Crazy Tiger]

Цитата допису MonkehMaster:

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

And others may love the games from nowadays that you think aren't good.

everyone has an opinion :cqlol:

As they always say, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

[MonkehMaster]

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

Цитата допису MonkehMaster:

everyone has an opinion

As they always say, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

[Kargor]

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

Цитата допису MonkehMaster:

making a small playable demo is not as hard or time consuming as you think...

Cool, then demonmstrate your evidence for that.

Demonstrate how small devs with limited resources, staff and going through early access can easily eke this into their plans without adversely affecting them.

If they WANT to make a demo, then it's not all that time consuming. Especially if you just want to use something that already exists, like the beginning (or all of) the first level.

You'll basically need two main things: a build file/script/whatever that only/mostly includes the stuff you need for the demo. And a compiletime switch that the code can use to make some minor adjustments, like making the demo end instead of crashing because it can't get the 2nd level...

Depending on how the game is set up, some code adjustments might be replaced wirh alternate data files. Like if you have a script that connects your levels into the final game, you would make a much shorter version of this for the demo and use that for the game instead of the big one.

[Ganger]

Цитата допису Crazy Tiger:

As they always say, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

Well I though I would BUTT in on this conversation. Well that's not totally true, some people are born without anus's and other defects such as the anus opening in the wrong place etc... the term is called imperforate anus'.

I only know of this because I remember someone at work taking time off due to his baby having this problem.

[crunchyfrog]

Цитата допису MonkehMaster:

Цитата допису crunchyfrog:

Cool, then demonmstrate your evidence for that.

Demonstrate how small devs with limited resources, staff and going through early access can easily eke this into their plans without adversely affecting them.

are you a game developer? demonstrate your evidence on the topic...

Here we go again....

No that is not how burden of proof works.

I never made such a claim. I DISBELIEVED YOUR claim. I have no burden of proof.

YOu have the burden of proof. So please demonstrate it.

If you don't understand how burden of proof works, let me explain using the gumball analogy.

I have a jar of gumballs - the typical big old glass jar, sealed that you find in sweet shops everywhere. There must be either an odd number or an even number in there, right? So I say "there is DEFINITELY an even number in there".

You would likely come back with "how on earth can you tell? I don't believe you - prove it".

And that's burden of proof. you saying you don't belive me DOES NOT mean you think there are an ODD number (it does not mean you take the contrary position). It means you take the DEFAULT position - that of not believeing the claim.

So I WOULD have the burden of proof there and not you.

So YOU made the claim and I chose to not believeit, so please demonstrate your evidence.

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2015/08/25/the-burden-of-proof-in-gumballs/