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Fuxis 2020年10月10日 10時34分

"Offensive" name

So steam recently started to censor my name on my profile.. Im using my nickname for very long time..

Nickname is kinda from "german" surname Fuxius.. ---> Fuxis

What can be done so it wont censor my nickname? This is nonsense...

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投稿主: Perpetual Pilgrim:

I love the 'adapt or die' philosophy being touted. It assumes that successful survival of a species is to simply accept circumstances as they are and not fight against them. However, more often than not, 'adapting' means fighting. It means finding ways to 'game' the 'system' of reality. Ways to bend it to your benefit, to exploit it, to get around it.
If species operated on the premise of 'you can't change the rules, so accept them and stop trying to find ways around them' they would simply die.
Birds exploited the laws of aerodynamics by developing hollow bones, aerodynamic profiles, appendages suited for creating lift, etc. because the way things were weren't working. Adapt or die, in this sense, isn't simply rolling over to your current circumstances but instead finding a way to use the nature of reality in order to change your circumstances.

So far all of you 'adapt or die' ppl, be honest, what you mean is shut up, get in line, and don't strive to make your circumstances better. Just follow the 'law', report slaves and Jews, show your papers, don't toss tea in the bay, don't stand up and say 'I don't agree with this.'

Okay, perhaps I took it a bit too far into the political realm, but you get my point. It's not adapting to simply accept your circumstances. It's rolling over. It's cowing to what you perceive to be an insurmountable hurdle. And it's why you guys spend enough time on Steam forums to know about the popular responses to those who have a complaint about a policy. Because you'd rather keep your head down and stuck in a monitor and tell others to do the same than to meet life on your terms.

Again, perhaps too dramatic. And insulting. But seriously. This is a legitimate gripe. They give us the option to turn on or off the language filtering for a reason. So we can choose what we do and don't see and they aren't tasked with moderating and dictating social morality and decorum.

Further, if as the op says, it is derivative of a non-English language, how is it that no one feels that might be a teensy, dare I say it and risk being called an SJW libtard... <.< >.>, ♥♥♥♥ it, Eurocentric, to assume that anything that might seem to be 'offensive' to an English speaker is, therefore offensive even if it is a relatively benign word of foreign origins?
This happens all the time on a number of platforms that claim to be progressive and sensitive to what amounts to intersectional politics, but is, as it usually is with such sensitivities, a weird self-loathing method of being a bigoted ass but with all the moral grandstanding that comes with being a 'champion of the disenfranchised'.

Steam sells us some of the most grotesque, offensive, and apalling content the world has seen, yet wants to globally sensor 'offensive' names that, so far as I'm aware, are not insulting or otherwise diminishing any 'protected' groups? Don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roll over. That's how you get Facebook and Portland circa 2020. Speak up and tell them what you think and encourage them to meet your expectations if they expect to continue being the 'premier' 3rd party gaming distributor.

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Judgmental Amaterasu 2020年10月10日 21時24分

76561198837341747 の投稿を引用：
edit: 50 minutes later...
That didn't take long, and it's easy. Now I have both a safe name and avatar! Until Andrew removes both bans again. I like ♥♥♥♥♥♥ OP it's what people don't see that they should be offended by. Like those private profiles. or blank character names. Why do people even do that?

Because they don't care what random strangers on steam think.

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Satoru 2020年10月11日 10時49分

76561198837341747 の投稿を引用：
edit: 50 minutes later...
That didn't take long, and it's easy. Now I have both a safe name and avatar! Until Andrew removes both bans again. I like ♥♥♥♥♥♥ OP it's what people don't see that they should be offended by. Like those private profiles. or blank character names. Why do people even do that?

It’s hilarious you think that bypassing the filters for your profile name and your custom URL is “edgy”

Edit: Do you think that constantly making your removed custom URLS more offensive and trolling is going to end well for you?

最近の変更はSatoruが行いました; 2020年10月11日 12時24分

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76561198407601200 2020年10月11日 16時23分

Fiddle の投稿を引用：
76561198837341747 の投稿を引用：
edit: 50 minutes later...
That didn't take long, and it's easy. Now I have both a safe name and avatar! Until Andrew removes both bans again. I like ♥♥♥♥♥♥ OP it's what people don't see that they should be offended by. Like those private profiles. or blank character names. Why do people even do that?

Because they don't care what random strangers on steam think.

Which is probably why your previous post went mostly unnoticed and for good reason.

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RedLightning 2020年10月12日 16時44分

Everyone just bow down and accept this 'new normal' its good for you..

No not really.

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RedLightning 2020年10月12日 17時08分

davidb11 の投稿を引用：
THe new normal sometimes can be good though.
I'd rather have people not have offensive and absurd/insane names thank you very much.
When "Adult entertainment." sites have more appropriate names than some of the stuff used on Steam in names, that should tell you something. :P

Sure, those websites have less strict rules, but there are still rules. :P

Offensive names should never be allowed, because it's simply not cool. Period. End of Debate.

Not so sure I like ANY of this *new normal* crap.

Not that I let what other people decide their names should be ever bother me.

What bothers me is the interesting view on censorship being taken lately.

Put all the world on the net, in private areas.. and there goes all freedom..

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Dizzydeath1337 2020年10月12日 21時39分

davidb11 の投稿を引用：
Common sense is to not be offensive and rude. Period. Anyone who tries to be edgy for the lolz does not deserve any respect from anyone.
And honestly, being kind is a thing people have been trying to do for thousands of years. Why the hell are you against something that is literally older than the Roman Empire? That's pretty damn silly.
It's literally older than every civilization.

Most cases of success that I know of are from things such as crushing oppression, ruthless capitalism, aggressive conquest, and exploitation. So, sounds like the nice path never really pays. PRC, anyone?

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Dizzydeath1337 2020年10月12日 21時49分

davidb11 の投稿を引用：
You seem massively confused.
On a scale unheard of.
Why are you trying to argue that just because there are ruthless people out there, or countries, that no one is allowed to be nice? If everyone was like you said, we would have died out before the Roman Empire even founded.
So, your theory is fundamentally flawed.

If that's not your argument, what the hell are you even on about?

Niceness is beneficial to society, but not the individual, except to receive it. Is it a double standard? Absolutely, but that's what the world is built on, and attempting to rebuild it is simply impossible. Of course, a silly name on the internet isn't going to bring anyone conquest, but your point is flawed regardless. "Be nice because you're supposed to."

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Gus the Crocodile 2020年10月12日 22時24分

Dizzydeath1337 の投稿を引用：
Niceness is beneficial to society, but not the individual, except to receive it. Is it a double standard? Absolutely, but that's what the world is built on, and attempting to rebuild it is simply impossible.

"Requires a lot of work", not "is simply impossible". We built the world the way it is, we can be built differently.

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Dizzydeath1337 2020年10月12日 22時57分

Gus the Crocodile の投稿を引用：
Dizzydeath1337 の投稿を引用：
Niceness is beneficial to society, but not the individual, except to receive it. Is it a double standard? Absolutely, but that's what the world is built on, and attempting to rebuild it is simply impossible.
"Requires a lot of work", not "is simply impossible". We built the world the way it is, we can be built differently.

That's simply a utopian dream. Everyone has biases, that can't be bred out of humans. What "perfect man" would get to do it anyways? How would they be unbiased? Trying to change it will simply kill old hypocrisies and create new ones.

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Gus the Crocodile 2020年10月12日 23時01分

I didn't say anything about being unbiased. I'm suggesting it's possible to build societies in which kindness (using that word instead because I don't care about 'niceness') is beneficial.

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cinedine 2020年10月13日 2時07分

davidb11 の投稿を引用：
Offensive names should never be allowed, because it's simply not cool. Period. End of Debate.

Sure.
But when the filter is triggered by non-offensive names because they have a Levenshtein distance of 3(!!! that is quite a lot, btw) towards a four-letter-word, it's not normal.

I remember well the times of the old EA lobbies where you had to prefix nearly every German word beginning with b with an "x" for some absured reason. "I am" -> "Ich xbin"
That's not normal. And it never should be normal to create an Anglo-centric filter for a global community that makes other languages jump through hoops.

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Personally I find the whole idea of a filter idiotic. Online forums are some of the most toxic cess pools as well as some of the nicest places to hang around if the users want it to be. If your forum leans to the former, there is no amount of filtering that will change it.
And the whole "think of the children" argument is nil. Online interactions aren't rated for a good reason. The whole bloody internet is not child-safe. Why try to make a forum?
And not that it works particular well in the best of times when new swears arise. The other word for donkey written with an "r" was a long time ignored, for example.
And an extensive filterlist puts even a normal poster in jeopardy when you don't know where the line between "direct", "strong" and "offensive" language is or you get flagged for "circumventing the filter" because you quote something or empahsize via putting multiple vocals in.

And you certainly don't do it if people are already complaining and throwing "censoring" and "freedom of speech" all around like crazy.

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Priest 2020年10月13日 6時14分

Weniger (german for less)

Teso censor it

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cinedine 2020年10月13日 7時32分

cyberluddite の投稿を引用：
Rules and filters are a necessity to protect all users, not just "the chosen side" that thinks they can treat others like s*** because of some delusional ideology.

How does a filter protect anyone?
By you not reading the bad word? You still perfectly well know it's there. You just got called it.

And even if you replace the word, the new word will just take its place. We've seen it on the old SPUF with "fanboy" being replaced by "hammer legion member" which was subsequently adapted by the users.
There is something called The Cylce of Euphimisms or Euphimism Treadmill. Just by replacing a word with another you do not expunge the pejorative thinking behind it. You can see it pretty well with the "n-word" and the "r-word".

And than there are words that have a completely different meaning in other languages/slangs. A ♥♥♥ (f-word for homosexuals) is a cigarette in English slang. ♥♥♥♥♥♥ is the German word for bassoon and frequently misspelled (and most likely filtered right now).
In the meantime I can properly still call you a wanker because that's not a word in American English - and reason for many laughs because it's a surname in the US.
As a matter of fact, I can go HAM and call you all different types of names in German, French, Spanish, ... but god beware I use English. You might feel offended.

Lastly how often did you see people completely losing it once they realise their precious "s-word" got censored and not go on a tirade that would make a sailor blush? Use of filters will enhance this behaviour on some people.
And who is protected by me not being allowed to call something ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

That's the problem with filters: they are inherently selective. They don't serve a real purpose. They inconvenience others.

And it's just there because of American morales. Like peeping them out in radio and TV for years. Did this in any way, shape, or form affected the population and made them better people that don't use these words anymore?

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