Steam Banning and Censoring games

[Kal]

Steam, you will stop NOW or pay the consequences. We DONT NEED OR WANT your "world views". Just sell games you ♥♥♥♥♥!!!!

[rawWwRrr]

Considering how many controversial titles are on Steam, I'm not sure what OP would be referring to.

[DiceDsx]

Messaggio originale di rawWwRrr:

Considering how many controversial titles are on Steam, I'm not sure what OP would be referring to.

Probably this.[noisypixel.net]

[WhiteKnight]

They have to "pay the consequences" if they try to curate their store little bit or not curate at all. Either way people will continue to whine.

[Kal]

I hate anime, but I wont side with banning things because some moron in FL has a personal issue with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqKJBgvdatI

[Crazy Tiger]

I'm curious, which consequences? Sounds very much like an empty threat. You also say "we", but who is this "we"?

However, more importantly, since when does a store owner not have the right to decide what they do or do not want to sell?

[76561198034531618]

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

I'm curious, which consequences? Sounds very much like an empty threat. You also say "we", but who is this "we"?

However, more importantly, since when does a store owner not have the right to decide what they do or do not want to sell?

1) Consequences of competition in a free market
2) Customers
3) Since they claim to provide a platform rather than act as a publisher, in order to receive legal indemnity under 47 U.S.C. §230, EU Directive 2000/31/EC §12-14, etc.

At least, I imagine that is the argument here.

[eram]

What would the consequences be?

[Schorl Tourmaline]

I thought Steam wasn't going to be the morality police when it comes to games. I guess they were just lying about that. Suppose I'll just go back to playing games they will allow, like Evenicle, which features the rape and drugging of a woman within the first act, in visual depictions. But I'm sure the visual novel they banned had something much worse than that.

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di Schorl Tourmaline:

I thought Steam wasn't going to be the morality police when it comes to games. I guess they were just lying about that. Suppose I'll just go back to playing games they will allow, like Evenicle, which features the rape and drugging of a woman within the first act, in visual depictions. But I'm sure the visual novel they banned had something much worse than that.

Steam is fine as long as
- the content is properly declared
- violence/sexuality is not against figures that can be mistaken for underage

Many already fail on the first point. And the others think that "the female protgonist is a 5k year old half-dragon half-robot" is enough to indemnify them when character looks, speaks, and behaves like a 12yo.

But it's easy to put the blame on Valve when the developers always play the victim card and Valve opts to not talk about their business relationships. As it should be.

[Schorl Tourmaline]

Messaggio originale di davidb11:

Messaggio originale di Schorl Tourmaline:

I thought Steam wasn't going to be the morality police when it comes to games. I guess they were just lying about that. Suppose I'll just go back to playing games they will allow, like Evenicle, which features the rape and drugging of a woman within the first act, in visual depictions. But I'm sure the visual novel they banned had something much worse than that.

IF you bothered to even pay attention to this thread, you'd understand that your message was not needed at all.
Sigh.
The game was banned for a reason. Not Zero reason. Not no reason.

Can we wait until the developer finally puts out the reason Steam banned it.

Complaining that somehow Steam is the bad guy without knowing all the facts is absurd.

Sure, but if the reason is something silly like "Depictions of minors in sexual situations" can I then point out the dozens of other games that fit that bill and still exist on the platform? Just want to make sure their hypocrisy is made clear/make a list of other games that will probably be on the chopping block that people can, and should, be upset about.

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di Schorl Tourmaline:

Just want to make sure their hypocrisy is made clear/make a list of other games that will probably be on the chopping block that people can, and should, be upset about.

You mean the hipocrisy of claiming Steam bans these poort anime games while there are almost literally thousands of secually loaded anime games still on the service?
Also you mean something silly like banning games for "being illegal in some countries" with hefty fines for anyone carrying such material?

[Schorl Tourmaline]

Messaggio originale di cinedine:

Messaggio originale di Schorl Tourmaline:

Just want to make sure their hypocrisy is made clear/make a list of other games that will probably be on the chopping block that people can, and should, be upset about.

You mean the hipocrisy of claiming Steam bans these poort anime games while there are almost literally thousands of secually loaded anime games still on the service?
Also you mean something silly like banning games for "being illegal in some countries" with hefty fines for anyone carrying such material?

I don't see them banning Nekopara, which has you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, by the game's depiction, 9 month olds, that look like teenagers, with the mentality of a house cat (mental retardation), and a literal loli character who is likewise depicted as a 3 year old. But hey, I guess that game is popular :P

[Schorl Tourmaline]

Messaggio originale di davidb11:

Messaggio originale di Schorl Tourmaline:

Sure, but if the reason is something silly like "Depictions of minors in sexual situations" can I then point out the dozens of other games that fit that bill and still exist on the platform? Just want to make sure their hypocrisy is made clear/make a list of other games that will probably be on the chopping block that people can, and should, be upset about.

There are no dozens of minors in sexual situation games.
Those don't get allowed on Steam period. Hands down.
It's absurd to claim otherwise.

I mean... there is Disgaea 1 and 2, which has the three underaged main characters dressed in very revealing clothing, dealing with sexual situations like the male lead getting incredibly uncomfortable around "Womanly forms" and one of the female leads being a underaged succubus who poses provocatively in an attack literally called "Sexy Beam", and a boss who has a "horse Wiener" as one of his accessories. As much as I like there series, the only thing NOT pushing it into an X rating is that they never show anything.

Honestly, it gets pretty bad XD

[Ogami]

As far as i understand from reading the claims of the devs and what got written on other sites,
the game version they uploaded on Steam is a so called " All Ages" cut.
Meaning there is ZERO sexual content in the game, neither with supposed underage or otherage characters.

They DO provide an offsite free patch for the game though that restores the sexual content of the original game.
And here seems to be the problem, while the patch is not hosted on Steam, it seems some of the game files the patch unlocks are still present in the Steam version files, just locked without the patch.
And are accordingly labeled, something like "chara XXX sex scene" and so on.

And apparently those files are what got the game banned from Steam since Steam does not allow sexual content with characters that appear underage or are in a school setting. ( uniforms and such).
If you cut that stuff completely out its fine, even if you provide a uncensor patch but the game files that Steam hosts are not allowed to contain any of that forbidden content, even if you cant access it.

And that seems to be the justification of Steam, that the developer/publisher broke the Steam TOS by having those files included in the Steam version, even if you need a patch to unlock them.

A lot of involved people say a lot of different things. The devs say these files do not contain any data and are just "dummy" files that are still labeled from the orginal version, nothing more.
At least that is the way i understand it so far. If that is all correct, who knows.

[Schorl Tourmaline]

Messaggio originale di Ogami:

As far as i understand from reading the claims of the devs and what got written on other sites,
the game version they uploaded on Steam is a so called " All Ages" cut.
Meaning there is ZERO sexual content in the game, neither with supposed underage or otherage characters.

They DO provide an offsite free patch for the game though that restores the sexual content of the original game.
And here seems to be the problem, while the patch is not hosted on Steam, it seems some of the game files the patch unlocks are still present in the Steam version files, just locked without the patch.
And were accordingly labeled, something like chara XXX sex scene and so on.

And apparently those files are what got the game banned from Steam since Steam does not allow sexual content with characters that appear underage or are in a school setting. ( uniforms and such).
If you cut that stuff completely out its fine, even if you provide a uncensor patch but the game files that Steam hosts are not allowed to contain any of that forbidden content, even if you cant access it.

And that seems to be the justification of Steam, that the developer/publisher broke the Steam TOS by having those files included in the Steam version, even if you need a patch to unlock them.

A lot of involved people say a lot of different things. The devs say these files do not contain any data and are just "dummy" files that are still labeled from the original version, nothing more.
At least that is the way i understand it so far. If that is all correct, who knows.

Ah, so it's a "hot coffee" situation. How silly. So if they remove those scenes and update their patch, will steam let them back on, or is this just a hand wave to placate fans?