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Should STEAM ban Chinese?
I have now lost count of the amount of games that get reviewbombed by the Chinese because they get uppity their language is not supported. NBA 2k18 being the latest victim. Should STEAM just ban Chinese IPs?
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It could be easy to program.
The problem are not chinese letters.
But the lack of a function that puts other letter languages in sections where they are understood.

Default chinese forum based on location or keyboard, or type in latin letters.
Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
Yes but they never will and that will be the fall of steam. You laugh now but when 80 % of forum posts are in chinese and the english customers just go away because of that you will see.

Oh yeah? And where will you go? Even if you buy your games from 3rd party key sellers you'll still be using steam to play lol

Plus you can't really blame them from posting all over, they still don't have their own subforum.
Postat inițial de ♥ Miss♕Taxi ♥:
Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
Yes but they never will and that will be the fall of steam. You laugh now but when 80 % of forum posts are in chinese and the english customers just go away because of that you will see.

Oh yeah? And where will you go? Even if you buy your games from 3rd party key sellers you'll still be using steam to play lol

Plus you can't really blame them from posting all over, they still don't have their own subforum.
They don't even read anyway. Despite pinned topics telling them how to add friends, there are still many topics created to add friends. They also keep posting PUBG-related topics outside of PUBG forum, expecting BlueHole to magically find and read their posts.

And the best part, Chinese users regularly commenting on my guides asking me to remove their game bans, even though I've stated that I do not work for Valve or BlueHole just a couple of comments before.

Selective reading is rampant.

:rad_rune:
Postat inițial de Supes:
Should STEAM ban Chinese?
Ban one of the UN languages, ban language on which a couple of billion people speak? Do you even understand what you are just saying?
Oh yeah? And where will you go? Even if you buy your games from 3rd party key sellers you'll still be using steam to play lol

Plus you can't really blame them from posting all over, they still don't have their own subforum. [/quote]
They don't even read anyway. Despite pinned topics telling them how to add friends, there are still many topics created to add friends. They also keep posting PUBG-related topics outside of PUBG forum, expecting BlueHole to magically find and read their posts.

And the best part, Chinese users regularly commenting on my guides asking me to remove their game bans, even though I've stated that I do not work for Valve or BlueHole just a couple of comments before.

Selective reading is rampant.

:rad_rune: [/quote]

And none of the above is uniquely Chinese, people for whom navigating most of Steam involves not merely a different language but a totally alien alphabet. If the site was in Mandarin I literally would be able to do virtually nothing.

Coping with immigrants with limited language skills and a different culture can be difficult and stressful - cf. the world. But these problems here are relatively minor. They also may resolve a lot in time.

It's a ticklish time for both China and Steam. China has been making noises about banning PUBG but there are now 5 MILLION Chinese people playing PUBG. That equates to just under a third of Steam's concurrent global users (I acknowledge not all five million Chinese players are here simultaneously).

So assume the Chinese paid $15 per game. The revenue from China would be $75 million. And even for China 5 million of its own citizen is a lot to upset in one move.

So currently I anticipate Steam and the Chinese government are stalking each other like two tigers at the same watering hole. Both would be a lot happier if the other wasn't there but neither really want the risk of a full scale battle.

From both sides I would advocate softly, softly. There are two parts of the world - North Korea and Yemen where the imminent prospect of full scale nuclear war cannot be discounted and Steam has enough global customers that any action China took against Steam's non Chinese interests could lead to reprisal attacks that could seriously mess up their IT infrastructure. Software designed to stop bots won't necessarily stop 16 million individual users all emailing the Chinese premier simultaneously.

For now at least I see both tigers lapping at the same pool but keeping a very wary eye on the other.

S.x.
And I didn't talk about now but about a process that will probably happen in the future if steam doesn't do anything. Because right now forums like the PUBG forums are just not useable anymore for english speaking customers. Just go and look for yourself.

When it becomes unbearable people can just go to one of the other sites like gog, origin or a new competetor comes up which makes things better then steam.

Of course that takes time but in such a scenario only the old farts will stay on steam while a new generation will then go to a competetor.

And BTW: chinese forums don't help because the chinese user usually ignore it completely.


Postat inițial de ♥ Miss♕Taxi ♥:
Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
Yes but they never will and that will be the fall of steam. You laugh now but when 80 % of forum posts are in chinese and the english customers just go away because of that you will see.

Oh yeah? And where will you go? Even if you buy your games from 3rd party key sellers you'll still be using steam to play lol

Plus you can't really blame them from posting all over, they still don't have their own subforum.
Editat ultima dată de Oneeyed; 9 nov. 2017 la 2:19
Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
the chinese user
The good old race thingie......
Never gets old.
Postat inițial de Supes:
I have now lost count of the amount of games that get reviewbombed by the Chinese because they get uppity their language is not supported. NBA 2k18 being the latest victim. Should STEAM just ban Chinese IPs?


IP change/IP spoofing is an existing thing

Its bad enough that Tencent is trying to take over chinese video game share, it doesnt need to be aggravated further.



Postat inițial de R i P P Ξ R J Λ C K:
Postat inițial de ♥ Miss♕Taxi ♥:

Oh yeah? And where will you go? Even if you buy your games from 3rd party key sellers you'll still be using steam to play lol

Plus you can't really blame them from posting all over, they still don't have their own subforum.
They don't even read anyway. Despite pinned topics telling them how to add friends, there are still many topics created to add friends. They also keep posting PUBG-related topics outside of PUBG forum, expecting BlueHole to magically find and read their posts.

And the best part, Chinese users regularly commenting on my guides asking me to remove their game bans, even though I've stated that I do not work for Valve or BlueHole just a couple of comments before.

Selective reading is rampant.

:rad_rune:


Oh believe me, with more than 6k comments behind me in the discussion hubs, I can tell you this exactly a novel concept with the english speaking users either



Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
And I didn't talk about now but about a process that will probably happen in the future if steam doesn't do anything. Because right now forums like the PUBG forums are just not useable anymore for english speaking customers. Just go and look for yourself.

When it becomes unbearable people can just go to one of the other sites like gog, origin or a new competetor comes up which makes things better then steam.

Of course that takes time but in such a scenario only the old farts will stay on steam while a new generation will then go to a competetor.

And BTW: chinese forums don't help because the chinese user usually ignore it completely.



yeah, good luck convincing people who poured thousands into their accounts to go to services that have nowhere near as much games as steam and/or that only carry mostly their own first party titles such as Origin/Uplay/etc

I dont think you thought this over completely
There is only one race and that's the human race.

So your lousy racism fantasies doesn't apply to me.

It is a question of culture and nothing else. Of course chinese people can have their own gaming platform but steam is a US gaming platform and not a chinese one. And if steam decides otherwise I will leave and I bet many others will leave too. Because main features of steam become unusable - like the PUBG forums - if too many chinese users are there mixed with english speaking users. And chinese users give a crap if there is a chinese subforum for them. They just post wherever they feel like.



Postat inițial de Muppet among Puppets:
Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
the chinese user
The good old race thingie......
Never gets old.
Postat inițial de Muppet among Puppets:
The good old race thingie......
Never gets old.
Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
There is only one race and that's the human race.

So your lousy racism fantasies doesn't apply to me.

It is a question of culture and nothing else. Of course chinese people can have their own gaming platform but steam is a US gaming platform and not a chinese one. And if steam decides otherwise I will leave and I bet many others will leave too. Because main features of steam become unusable - like the PUBG forums - if too many chinese users are there mixed with english speaking users. And chinese users give a crap if there is a chinese subforum for them. They just post wherever they feel like.
This might be new to you, but in china you follow more rules than you would have to.
So its absurd that your wisdom about "the chinese users" and their ability to understand rules was a fact.

Here is a nut to crack for you: Imagine gabe`s parents were chinese. And steam was still based in usa.

Or another nut.
Imagine YOU would be excluded from steam if it was not us. Because of "the us users"..... Bam, banned.
Happy?
At the end of the day, I think most of us can agree that Valve should NOT ban Chinese users. But I do wish that more could be done to alleviate the spam. I just don't know what would be a feasible solution that will actually work.

:rad_rune:
How would you know? I can already see you have never been to china or even have dealt with people who actually live there that you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I don't care about your "What if..." fantasies. The reality is different. Fact is steam is a gaming platform for mostly english speaking people. And if it changes so 90 % of the forum posts are in chinese most english speaking people probably will just leave. Look in the PUBG forums. There you can see what happens if that's the case. The PUBG forums aren't useable anymore for english speaking people.

And of course i would be also happy if steam allows only chinese language. Because then it would be clear it needs another gaming platform and competetors would jump on that opportunity. Then steam would be for chinese speaking people and the new one for english speaking people.


Postat inițial de Muppet among Puppets:
Postat inițial de Muppet among Puppets:
The good old race thingie......
Never gets old.
Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
There is only one race and that's the human race.

So your lousy racism fantasies doesn't apply to me.

It is a question of culture and nothing else. Of course chinese people can have their own gaming platform but steam is a US gaming platform and not a chinese one. And if steam decides otherwise I will leave and I bet many others will leave too. Because main features of steam become unusable - like the PUBG forums - if too many chinese users are there mixed with english speaking users. And chinese users give a crap if there is a chinese subforum for them. They just post wherever they feel like.
This might be new to you, but in china you follow more rules than you would have to.
So its absurd that your wisdom about "the chinese users" and their ability to understand rules was a fact.

Here is a nut to crack for you: Imagine gabe`s parents were chinese. And steam was still based in usa.

Or another nut.
Imagine YOU would be excluded from steam if it was not us. Because of "the us users"..... Bam, banned.
Happy?
Obviously they shouldn't do that.
Why wouldn't the opinion of a chinese gamer count less than yours.

Did you know btw that steamstats says that 56% of all users use simplified chinese as language?
And you want to ban chinese?
Editat ultima dată de Schlappohr Pyro; 9 nov. 2017 la 5:23
You play games on your computer, you use steam on your computer.
Someone was able to make that happen.

Why are some of you not able to think, making steam so that it leads users to their forum was possible?
You join forum from china, you get a prompt: "Here is the chinese section, or type in latin letters."
Done.

Every other argument about people and whatnot is nonsense.

Banning whole nations instead of fixing the code is stone age thinking. Maybe thats an insult to stone age people, because there arent "THE stone age people". Like there arent "THE chinese".


Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
How would you know? I can already see you have never been to china or even have dealt with people who actually live there that you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I don't care about your "What if..." fantasies. The reality is different. Fact is steam is a gaming platform for mostly english speaking people. And if it changes so 90 % of the forum posts are in chinese most english speaking people probably will just leave. Look in the PUBG forums. There you can see what happens if that's the case. The PUBG forums aren't useable anymore for english speaking people.

And of course i would be also happy if steam allows only chinese language. Because then it would be clear it needs another gaming platform and competetors would jump on that opportunity. Then steam would be for chinese speaking people and the new one for english speaking people.
Can you quote the section where steam said, it was a platform for a specific culture and language?
You really have reading issues, haven't you?

The discussion is about banning chinese language not chinese people. Go back to page one and read the thread again. Maybe you get it then.

This is an english platform and not a chinese platform. So I can expect everyone to post in english language here. If some people have special subforums for their language thats ok too.

The problem is chinese people don't care if there is a chinese subforum. They post their spam, scam, friend search postings everywhere and they give a sh!t if it is in a wrong forum.

Besides your technical solution would work but steam hasn't implemented this nor did they ever say they would do something like your proposal. Therefore I think chinese language should be banned until steam implements a technical solution for this problem.




Postat inițial de Muppet among Puppets:
You play games on your computer, you use steam on your computer.
Someone was able to make that happen.

Why are some of you not able to think, making steam so that it leads users to their forum was possible?
You join forum from china, you get a prompt: "Here is the chinese section, or type in latin letters."
Done.

Every other argument about people and whatnot is nonsense.

Banning whole nations instead of fixing the code is stone age thinking. Maybe thats an insult to stone age people, because there arent "THE stone age people". Like there arent "THE chinese".


Postat inițial de Oneeyed:
How would you know? I can already see you have never been to china or even have dealt with people who actually live there that you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I don't care about your "What if..." fantasies. The reality is different. Fact is steam is a gaming platform for mostly english speaking people. And if it changes so 90 % of the forum posts are in chinese most english speaking people probably will just leave. Look in the PUBG forums. There you can see what happens if that's the case. The PUBG forums aren't useable anymore for english speaking people.

And of course i would be also happy if steam allows only chinese language. Because then it would be clear it needs another gaming platform and competetors would jump on that opportunity. Then steam would be for chinese speaking people and the new one for english speaking people.
Can you quote the section where steam said, it was a platform for a specific culture and language?
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