Bad use of "SIMULATION" or "SIMULATOR" tag

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Guys... please can you STOP using the "simulation" or "simulator" tag for every game out there? I want to clean my steam browsing by filtering tags and it happens that the simulation tag is everywhere!
City building games? BOOM! simulator tag!
Action shooter? BOOM! simulator tag!
Farming RPG? BOOM! simulator tag!
RTS old school? BOOM! now it is considered a f***ing SIMULATOR!!!!!

STOP USING THE SIMULATOR TAG FOR EVERYTING!! PLEASE LET IT BE USED FOR REAL SIMULATORS like flight simulators or some driving simulators.


EDIT:

If any Steam dev happens to read this thread (I doubt this) please I ask you to take action by:

A. Stop the people from creating tags and tagging. No more free will to create tags and use them to tag games.

B. Narrow down to the core tags, that is leaving only the basic tags e.g strategy, simulation, rpg... etc they should be available only for steam staff, store mantainers and devs to tag their own games (which MUST be approved by steam staff).

C. Create an internal set of rules defining how the tags will be used by devs and staff. Too diferent tags can´t be used in the same game (e.g Strategy, Sports) . Games should only have no more than one or two tags. Obviously they must make sense.






D. TAG RULES:

1 - Simulation tag should be used only for Flight Sims, Driving Sims and no more than that.

2 - FPS are just FPS (even if they are realistic like ARMA series).

3 - Strategy games are no more "simulation" games even if the name states so (e.g Simcity).

3B-Strategy games tags should use the criteria of "old school" strategy games. Chess games for example would fall into the "board game" tag. Management and city building tags dilute into Strategy.

4 - RPGs are just RPGs. Even if they are turn based with strategy elements or other elements. JRPGs (and many others that don´t come to my mind right now) dilute into the RPG tag.

5 - Visual novels (in my opinion should be wiped off the entire store) should be in the visual novel tag. No RPG or Adventure should be mixed in them. (hell they should be banned.. they are not even games!)

6 - Indie games. You can´t tag a game because it is indie. It MUST fall into one of the other main tags.

7 - "Living simulators" are not a genre. They are either RPGS (e.g Stardew Valley) or Sandbox (The sims series). For the curious: why the difference? in Stardew Valley you follow a history line. In The Sims, you don´t. Also RPG means Rol Playing Game if you didn´t know.

8 - Adult tagging. Adult games should only be used for explicit porn or erotic games (with "erotic" I mean a game that is based on nudity.
8B- Games that have some kind of erotic moments in it storyline (no porn intended) are OUT of this tag and are rated with conventional R ratings in the steam store. They must be tagged according to its main genre.
8C- Hentai tag (and alikes) is/are diluted into adult tag.
8D- Puzzle games with erotic/pornographic images go into the adult tag. Not Puzzle.

9 - Puzzle tag is strictly for puzzle games. No more puzzle tag in Zelda -esque games. THOSE ARE RPGS, REMEMBER.

10 - "Crafting" games are reserved to Minecraft clones in all their flavors. (yeah millions of them lately).

11 - "Survival" games could be mixed with "Horror" if the case happens.

12 - Zombie tag.
12B- If the game has zombies but you have to build a base to hold them in isometric view, it is a Strategy tag (thinking of Stronghold series here, something like that with zombies).
12C- If the game has zombies and you have to survive see point 11.
12D- If the game has zombies and you run like crazy with a gun top down view it is a shooter.
12E- You can figure out the rest

13 - Limit the "Adventure" tag. Remember, the plot should be used to tag only if the game cannot be tagged as any of the other primary tags. You will find that most of the now called "adventure" games are platformers disguised in 3D.

14 - Sports. Driving games should NOT be tagged as sports. This is purely to mantain order in the tagging system. (I totally know that car racing are sports in real life, but please erase that from your mind, we are NOT using real life thinking to tag, it is purely to make easier the sorting, filtering and searching of the store; this applies to all the rules above by the way)

15 - Users should STILL (yeah I know you can do it as it is now, thanks) be able to report bad tags.

[AustrAlien2010]

And deer simulator is a city destruction simulator.

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Цитата допису AustrAlien2010:

And deer simulator is a city destruction simulator.

And street fighter is a face destruction simulator.

PD: also... Mass effect andromeda is also a face destruction simulator...

[Crazy Tiger]

Цитата допису El coso malo de la muerte:

Mass effect andromeda is also a face destruction simulator...

On release it most definately was.

[AustrAlien2010]

No, we have surgeon simulator for that.

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Цитата допису AustrAlien2010:

No, we have surgeon simulator for that.

And Two Point Hospital which is a hospital simulator for our simulated surgeons

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/1224120/Jerking_Off_In_Class_Simulator/

You know... I should open another thread with this crap too

[AustrAlien2010]

Good lord... I'd like to see Merriam-Webster's take on that.

[cinedine]

Цитата допису El coso malo de la muerte:

In my view:
SIMCITY = Strategy, city builder, isometric.

And what is so terribly difficult to understand that YOUR view isn't that of other users?
For example Sim City isn't isometric. It's a 3D perspective. And strategy is debatable as others might expect base building or troop movement under that tag.

[Tolkien Book Fan]

I recently came across a memory card game that had been labelled adventure, rpg and strategy by the game developers. It had no mechanics besides the cards and no other apparent content besides fantasy/medieval backgrounds. Those tags were falsely applied to get broader search results. Between that kind of false advertising and the trolls that label everything 'simulation', it proves the tag system is now useless, at least to me. And yet, I've seen people buy games solely on their tags (and in one case, get lose their mind angry when it didn't turn out as they wrongly expected).

I hope that, when 'simulation' has been applied to every product on Steam, Valve see fit to remove and ban the tag. If a tag can't be used to refine search results, that tag should not be allowed.

[UnicumDeluxe]

same about Survival

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Цитата допису cinedine:

Цитата допису El coso malo de la muerte:

In my view:
SIMCITY = Strategy, city builder, isometric.

And what is so terribly difficult to understand that YOUR view isn't that of other users?
For example Sim City isn't isometric. It's a 3D perspective. And strategy is debatable as others might expect base building or troop movement under that tag.

1 - Go and google isometric. No, really.. do yourself a favor.

2 - But it is strategy, then if you are dumb enough to buy simcity thinking you will be "moving troops" you need to see a doctor. SCREENSHOTS AND DESCRIPTION DUHHHHH!!

3 - Simply every game out there can be tagged simulation, because everything you do can be simulated. Soccer game? SIMULATED SPORTS!, FPS alien shooter? SIMULATED ALIEN INVASION. You can think more examples for yourself, just try to be acid like me.

[Aachen]

.... and that’s why I recommended you modify your search behaviors. “Simulation” is a term akin to “game”—far too generic and broad to be of great use.

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Цитата допису Aachen:

.... and that’s why I recommended you modify your search behaviors. “Simulation” is a term akin to “game”—far too generic and broad to be of great use.

That is the whole point of this thread bro. If you misuse the tagging system you cant use it.
Also you get irrelevant crap because the algorithms feed on those wrong tags.

[Aachen]

Where’s the “misuse” defined? Can I see a source for the policy you reference?

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Цитата допису Aachen:

Where’s the “misuse” defined? Can I see a source for the policy you reference?

Typical...
"hey you dumb! who says that I cant shoot my feet?! is there any law?! uh?"
I´m going to keep doing all wrong because nobody told me not to!"

You know, we have a popular saying here for your kind: "hijo del rigor".
It basically means that you will not do what you should, even if it is easy, because nobody is punishing you for not doing it.