Early access warning

[Walker Texas Zombie]

It reads - may or may not change further... Isn't that an acknowlegment by the seller that they are selling a scam? People expect a finished game. That is what EA is all about. America has some funny laws when it involve potential fraud apparently.

[Start_Running]

Think the statement through...

[Walker Texas Zombie]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Think the statement through...

I have. Games that are being developed should go through some sort of change. Am I missing something here?

[Nixamus]

Don't be an idiot. It's a bad look.

Scams require intention from the scammer. An EA game that fails to complete despite the efforts of the dev team isn't a scam.

Fraud also requires intent on the part of the fraudster.

Not to say there are not scummy poeple out there willing to bilk the ignorant out of their money, but to proclaim all EA games as scams is stupid.

[Walker Texas Zombie]

Also -
If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development
Doesn't this sound a little stupid to you?

[Count_Dandyman]

Originally posted by Walker Texas Zombie:

Also -
If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development
Doesn't this sound a little stupid to you?

No it sounds like common sense the stupid ones are the people ignoring that and them moaning when the game doesn't become what they want it to be.

[Walker Texas Zombie]

sigh I'm being heavily censored in this board so I'l just leave.

[Nixamus]

You don't know what Censored means do you?

[Walker Texas Zombie]

Originally posted by Nixamus:

You don't know what Censored means do you?

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or "inconvenient" as determined by government authorities or by community consensus.

My posts are being deleted so yeah I'm pretty sure I know what it means. Run along troll

[cinedine]

Originally posted by Walker Texas Zombie:

Also -
If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development
Doesn't this sound a little stupid to you?

No. It explains the exact mindset you should have buying an Early Access game.
ONLY buy this game if you are content with how it is at the point of purchase. Because it "may or may not change further". And you are getting what you pay for - the game at the current state. Not some wet dream hold up buy the developers or your own exaggragated expectations.

Do NOT buy into promises of the developer.
Do NOT buy into "potential" seen by other buyers.
Do NOT buy into your own expectations.

Also, the only difference between an EAcc game and any other product on Steam is that what you "complain" about is clearly stated.
You can just as well buy a complete bugfest of a game that will be left to rot without it having the EAcc disclaimer. And games can improve or worsen significantly over time - which will become more and more common as GaaS becomes more common.

[Walker Texas Zombie]

Originally posted by cinedine:

Originally posted by Walker Texas Zombie:

Also -
If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development
Doesn't this sound a little stupid to you?

No. It explains the exact mindset you should have buying an Early Access game.
ONLY buy this game if you are content with how it is at the point of purchase. Because it "may or may not change further". And you are getting what you pay for - the game at the current state. Not some wet dream hold up buy the developers or your own exaggragated expectations.

Do NOT buy into promises of the developer.
Do NOT buy into "potential" seen by other buyers.
Do NOT buy into your own expectations.

Also, the only difference between an EAcc game and any other product on Steam is that what you "complain" about is clearly stated.
You can just as well buy a complete bugfest of a game that will be left to rot without it having the EAcc disclaimer. And games can improve or worsen significantly over time - which will become more and more common as GaaS becomes more common.

One can NOT expect a certain MINDSET that a wallet should have. If you sell it it needs to work. If you are selling a game with the INTENT of delivering a finshed game That's the agreement you have with the purchaser. Steam's warning reads like it was written by a fool. Mentioning "excited" plays on people's emotions and impulses. Like "Buy Now while it's stiill hot". Seriously does no one else see this?

[Count_Dandyman]

Originally posted by Walker Texas Zombie:

Originally posted by cinedine:

No. It explains the exact mindset you should have buying an Early Access game.
ONLY buy this game if you are content with how it is at the point of purchase. Because it "may or may not change further". And you are getting what you pay for - the game at the current state. Not some wet dream hold up buy the developers or your own exaggragated expectations.

Do NOT buy into promises of the developer.
Do NOT buy into "potential" seen by other buyers.
Do NOT buy into your own expectations.

Also, the only difference between an EAcc game and any other product on Steam is that what you "complain" about is clearly stated.
You can just as well buy a complete bugfest of a game that will be left to rot without it having the EAcc disclaimer. And games can improve or worsen significantly over time - which will become more and more common as GaaS becomes more common.

One can NOT expect a certain MINDSET that a wallet should have. If you sell it it needs to work. If you are selling a game with the INTENT of delivering a finshed game That's the agreement you have with the purchaser. Steam's warning reads like it was written by a fool.

Early access isn't selling a game its selling an investment in the development of a game in return for getting it sooner and like all investments you are choosing to take a risk it won't improve from its current state.

[cinedine]

Originally posted by Walker Texas Zombie:

If you sell it it needs to work. If you are selling a game with the INTENT of delivering a finshed game That's the agreement you have with the purchaser. Steam's warning reads like it was written by a fool.

And that's exactly what the disclaimer is for:
You are NOT buying into any intentions. You are buying the game in it's current state. Period.

Any updates it may receive are a bonus and should not be the reason you buy the game for. If the current state is not to your liking - wait. Same applies to literally any other product on Steam. Be it the next big Battle Royal game that is currently unplayable in your region because it lacks servers but the developers totally promise to get some within the next week ... month ... year ... "oh sorry, totally forgot about it. we would do it now, but the game's dead anyway". Or the totally awesome 1000+ hour RPG that is full of game breaking bugs that get fixed one at a time each month so you can progress another 15 minutes before encountering a new one.

Originally posted by Count_Dandyman:

Early access isn't selling a game its selling an investment in the development of a game in return for getting it sooner and like all investments you are choosing to take a risk it won't improve from its current state.

Nope, exactly the other way around. It is not an investment. You are not an investor. You have no entitlement to anything.
You are a customer and get exactly what you paid for - the game in its current state.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Walker Texas Zombie:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Think the statement through...

I have. Games that are being developed should go through some sort of change. Am I missing something here?

If you buy the early access when it's verion 0.99.9c and the next release is 1.0a, how much do you think the game is likely to have changed since you purchased it?

[Count_Dandyman]

Originally posted by cinedine:

Originally posted by Count_Dandyman:

Early access isn't selling a game its selling an investment in the development of a game in return for getting it sooner and like all investments you are choosing to take a risk it won't improve from its current state.

Nope, exactly the other way around. It is not an investment. You are not an investor. You have no entitlement to anything.
You are a customer and get exactly what you paid for - the game in its current state.

You should read what I said and not just a single word before trying to call me wrong.

Despite what you might have been told investments aren't just about getting money they are also about getting a service or product improved.

[Walker Texas Zombie]

"You are NOT buying into any intentions. You are buying the game in it's current state. Period."

Early Access is a game, that is supposedly being developed with the INTENTION of being completed at some point. Seriously, You can't be that stupid as to assume people are not expecting finished games in EA?