How does DRM work on here

[amazingaming5]

Now I know that games for windows live is like this ♥♥♥♥ing stupid drm system, but what about steam ? How does this family sharing thing work ? Is it like game sharing on Xbox one except you can't play the same game at the sametime or something ? I ask this question because games for Windows live implemented this stupid DRM system. Like on here can you play games on any computer and not be restricted to only being able to use it on 1 computer. I heard about this type of DRM that only allows you to play your game on one system. Which means if you change your GPU you wouldn't be able to play your game. I just ask all these questions because I'm very use to console gaming and haven't played PC gaming a lot since 2015.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Digital_rights_management_(DRM)

[mimizukari]

http://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

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http://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing

sorry... this^^

and the types of drm are in my link.

[amazingaming5]

Alright thanks guys for helping me out. Man the Xbox one got so much hate for announcing it was gonna have DRM back in 2013.

[Black Blade]

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Alright thanks guys for helping me out. Man the Xbox one got so much hate for announcing it was gonna have DRM back in 2013.

But Xbox has all ready CD DRM no?

[amazingaming5]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez amazingaming5:

Alright thanks guys for helping me out. Man the Xbox one got so much hate for announcing it was gonna have DRM back in 2013.

But Xbox has all ready CD DRM no?

No no no I meant online DRM. Also I doubt CD DRM is very common because most games that are available physically Gta 5 for example just install the game digitally on your computer. The original plan for the Xbox one was that if you got the disc it would install the game digitally and you have to type in the CD key. Than after you do that you don't need the disc. People got mad at that because that prevents used games because the cd key can only be used once so if you tried to sell the game the cd key wouldn't work. Xbox one was gonna be all digital distribution. The Xbox one got so much hate for adding DRM and GameStop(should be a store out of business) got mad at Microsoft. Now guys here is the problem with DRM services. If that company ever shuts down their DRM service in the future you won't be able to play those games that have that DRM anymore because there aren't any available servers so the game can authenticate you. What I hate about digital distribution is that you just own the license of the game. Which means that you don't own the game and it can be taken away from you. Everyone here realizes if a game that they have gets removed from steam they lose all access to that game right ? If your account gets banned from steam then you lose access to all your games. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that with digital games they can take the games away from you. The digital games that you paid your money for can be taken away from you. This is a serious issue that needs to be resolved immediately. But anyway CD DRM for consoles has been a thing for over a decade now so yes. The ps4 and Xbox one do have cd DRM.

[amazingaming5]

OK maybe I went a "little" overboard with the DRM stuff heh heh.

[Black Blade]

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No no no I meant online DRM. Also I doubt CD DRM is very common because most games that are available physically Gta 5 for example just install the game digitally on your computer. The original plan for the Xbox one was that if you got the disc it would install the game digitally and you have to type in the CD key. Than after you do that you don't need the disc. People got mad at that because that prevents used games because the cd key can only be used once so if you tried to sell the game the cd key wouldn't work. Xbox one was gonna be all digital distribution. The Xbox one got so much hate for adding DRM and GameStop(should be a store out of business) got mad at Microsoft. Now guys here is the problem with DRM services. If that company ever shuts down their DRM service in the future you won't be able to play those games that have that DRM anymore because there aren't any available servers so the game can authenticate you. What I hate about digital distribution is that you just own the license of the game. Which means that you don't own the game and it can be taken away from you. Everyone here realizes if a game that they have gets removed from steam they lose all access to that game right ? If your account gets banned from steam then you lose access to all your games. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that with digital games they can take the games away from you. The digital games that you paid your money for can be taken away from you. This is a serious issue that needs to be resolved immediately. But anyway CD DRM for consoles has been a thing for over a decade now so yes. The ps4 and Xbox one do have cd DRM.

Well first of all a game removed from Steam is not removed from your account (I own my self GTA 1, GTA 2, 007 Legends, Prey and more)
I can play them with no issue
Only game i am aware that was removed from libarys where a game that there servers where closed there for it was unplayble and the dev ask it to be removed

On Steam there are a few bans, only a complete ban will block your games, and as long as you keep legal nothing like that need to happen

You never owned you CD game as well, you mearly heald a licens to use it, and a disk, the game was not yours

Valve said a long time ago that if Steam dose go down, they will find a way to keep access to the games
Also some Steam games are DRM free just so you know

But if you really hatre DRM you may want to look at gog.com
Abut selling games, well some say its one of the reasons PC gets more sales, you can resell the game, so the Devs can take less, but earn the same (or more) even with sales

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Here's how Steam DRM works:

You run the Steam client program, and it acts as a wrapper/launcher for the game.

For games that use Steam DRM (not all do), you can't start the game without Steam already running, or attempting to start the game causes Steam to start running. If you can't log into your Steam account through the Steam client program, you can't play the game.

If someone else logs in on a computer when you're logged in on a different computer, you get logged out. This appears to happen even if they just attempt to login using your (correct) password but are blocked by Steam Guard.

I know you can login on two different computers at the same time if you're using the same internet connection. I don't know if you can play two games at the same time on two different computers though.

I think you can play two different games at the same time on the same computer. (But it affects your ability to get trading card drops.)

If you do Family Sharing, note that this is NOT like letting someone pick a game off your shelf of games and play that. It is more like giving someone your computer temporarily. When your account is being family-shared and someone is playing a game from your library, you will not be able to play ANY of your games. (I think if someone is playing a game that they normally have but is also in your library, you still can't play any of your games.)

TL;DR You have to run Steam while playing games, and only one "person" can be playing at once.

[amazingaming5]

@Black Blade When I said servers going down I meant DRM services. Like for example if games for Windows live shutdown you would lose access to all of your games that you bought on there. On Xbox and on PlayStation if the psn and Xbox live servers shutdown then you'll be able to play your game, but unfortunately not multiplayer. For the family sharing thing can't the person just go to Program files (x86)/steam/steamapps/common find the game they want to access then launch the game via the .exe file instead of launching it via steam so they can play ? I mean it's really not that hard because like Quint said steam works as a client not an actual video game account like games for Windows live did. But at the sametime DRM companies are starting to add DRM to prevent users from accessing game files unfortunately. But still though you could still play the game at the sametime though. It's not like you actually play with your steam account on the game. You just play with whatever third party account you have.

You do actually own your physical copies of games on console. If you get banned from Xbox live or psn you could just make another account and play all your games. But at the sametime if all these companies allowed us to transfer all our purchases to other accounts then this wouldn't be an issue. What I mean by transfer purchases is that you could transfer your purchases to an unlimited number of accounts. The catch here is that it doesn't duplicate the purchases it just moves the purchases over to the other account. Which means the account that has the purchases doesn't get to play their games anymore since all their purchases are on another account. It doesn't duplicate the purchases because other wise people could transfer their purchases so people can just get games for free.

I don't hate DRM. I understand that PC is an open-platform and people can hack PC's a lot easier than consoles since consoles run on a custom built OS. I'm just saying that DRM shouldn't affect the player's experience as much. Because people who crack the game don't have to deal with all this DRM.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

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@Black Blade When I said servers going down I meant DRM services. Like for example if games for Windows live shutdown you would lose access to all of your games that you bought on there. On Xbox and on PlayStation if the psn and Xbox live servers shutdown then you'll be able to play your game, but unfortunately not multiplayer.

Steam does have an Offline Mode where you may be able to do this, though some features may be limited. For example, it doesn't record time spent in game, and some games that depend on authenticating your account's status with a server may not give you the benefits of authenticating your account (e.g. unlocked costumes in 100% Orange Juice).

Also, if someone's changed your password on you, you can't just start Offline Mode and play your games, I think. Offline Mode just doesn't work anymore. I don't know what other conditions can get it to not work.

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For the family sharing thing can't the person just go to Program files (x86)/steam/steamapps/common find the game they want to access then launch the game via the .exe file instead of launching it via steam so they can play ?

If the game has no Steam DRM, then yes.

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I mean it's really not that hard because like Quint said steam works as a client not an actual video game account like games for Windows live did.

I haven't used Windows Live, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Początkowo opublikowane przez amazingaming5:

You do actually own your physical copies of games on console.

De facto, perhaps, but technically, legally, you still only have a license to play your games; you don't own an unconditional right to play them.

That said, no one's going to check unless you do something totally egregious.

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If you get banned from Xbox live or psn you could just make another account and play all your games. But at the sametime if all these companies allowed us to transfer all our purchases to other accounts then this wouldn't be an issue.

One reason Steam doesn't just do this is because it uses this to discourage cheating. Cheaters are forced to re-buy a game if they get an account slapped with a VAC or game ban.

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What I mean by transfer purchases is that you could transfer your purchases to an unlimited number of accounts. The catch here is that it doesn't duplicate the purchases it just moves the purchases over to the other account. Which means the account that has the purchases doesn't get to play their games anymore since all their purchases are on another account. It doesn't duplicate the purchases because other wise people could transfer their purchases so people can just get games for free.

Another reason Steam doesn't do this is because Steam accounts, as you may have noticed if you've followed the evolution of Steam's account security features, are rather easily hijacked, mostly due to users being tricked into giving up credentials and/or installing malware.

Making it possible to transfer games just means that phishers/hackers/scammers have even more incentive to spread hijacking malware and phish account details.

Besides, if your account gets hijacked and all your games get transferred away...well, that's potentially even worse than having all your virtual items traded away.

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I don't hate DRM. I understand that PC is an open-platform and people can hack PC's a lot easier than consoles since consoles run on a custom built OS. I'm just saying that DRM shouldn't affect the player's experience as much. Because people who crack the game don't have to deal with all this DRM.

I don't like DRM myself, because I've run into problems where Steam (for example) has blockd my access to games (specifically during a July 2015 incident when some bad people discovered that Steam's password recovery webpage accepted a blank recovery code and allowed them to change anyone's passwords), but fortunately I primarily play single-player games, so very often I prefer to wait for a DRM-free version, or at least pick up the Steam version with a deep discount. With server-based multiplayer games I realize that the constraints have to be a bit tighter to make things work, even to connect to servers, so I've got less of a problem with DRM that authenticates my account.

[Black Blade]

@Quint the House Gecko

First, i am pretty sure you can login in more then one place in the same time

You cant play on more then one system, if you try Steam will give a message asking if you wish to logout/close the game on the outher system and play here

On the same system you can start as many games as you system can take with no issue (no know limit)

@amazingaming5

Steam has its own DRM, if devs pick to use something else, well cant really account for that
And just btw GFWL is not closed yet, just its market is, and its games can be played

In CD DRM you cant play when the disk exspires or gets screach, that over all less likely on a DRM type as here

I may be worng, but i think that if your Consle is found cheating they ban the console no? so you have to get a new one to play online

If you have a consle game read the legal document you dont own it

[amazingaming5]

@Quint wow you actually pretty much owned me pretty well on everything I said not even gonna lie your very good.

@Black Blade Eh your right about the steam DRM thing. That is true and more and more game files will be in accessible to mod.

For the CD DRM I don't know what you mean by "the disc can expire." Yes you can't read when the disc is scratched, but that always happens. That has nothing to do with DRM the system can't read the disc because of the damage done to it. But I'm not sure if this is an issue with the Xbox one and ps4, but I remember back in 2015 the disc wouldn't read any of my disc. I tried cleaning the disc tray and it still wouldn't read disc. This is why on console I buy my games digitally because I'm very paranoid if I buy my games digitally (I have like 14 digital games on Xbox one) then my disc tray might not work and then I lose access to my games. If I bought all my games physically on Xbox one and my disc tray stopped working boy am I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

You are console banned if your console is caught cheating correct. But only if you cheat on a number of accounts then you'll be console banned.

Speaking of modded consoles it's a lot easier to crack games on console. Unfortunately this is for Xbox 360, but look at this video and tell me try telling me it's not easy. https://youtu.be/9bon5ISa28c The thing about console is that if you get modded console and you get paid games for free you get the full game. If you get a paid game for free on PC if it's multiplayer than you have to install all these weird multiplayer mods. On Xbox 360 you can just play with people who bought the game. On PC you can only play with other people who cracked the game. If it's a singleplayer game on PC than the devs might add disabilities to people who cracked the game. If you get crack the game on Xbox 360 you can play the game like if you were to buy it. On PC there is a Premium version of the game and a Cracked Version. On console they only have 1 version and that's premium. Which means that if a person found a way to pirate games on console they have the normal version while PC players have a different cracked version that is usually worse. The only PC games you get the full experiences when you crack the game are old games like Gta 3.

Well I guess you don't own the game, but at least it can't be taken away from you. Digital games are tied to your account and can't be sold or used on any other console without having your account. On disc you can play it on any console as long as you have the disc to verify your ownership.