more games to mac

[MisterSatanJunior-TTV]

why can't there be more games to Mac?

[Hopper]

引用自 Teksura：

引用自 Ericrct：

Yes I can see that there are 245,653 roughly at the peak times. But not all of those will purcase that specific game.

See my previous post where I explain that in business, this is called a Market. You don't have to sell to 100% of that market to make a profit off of it. If you don't offer to that market, you gain a 0% profit. As evident by the thousands of games which are available on the Mac, most developers seem to disagree with your opinion, and seem to think they are making profits by reaching out to that market.

Yes, but if you spend the money to make the mac port, and you don't sell enough copies to mac users to make up for that cost, you lose money. So some developers would not take the risk.

引用自 Ericrct：

Also if you look at mac specifications you will see that they have intel hd graphics. Since when is that made for gaming?

I covered this in my last post, but I'm suspecting you didn't really read it. As I stated, yes, some of the lower end and more affordable Macs (e.g. Mac Mini) use lesser graphics cards. The same is true for many PCs which are lower end and less expensive. Therefore what? Not all units are created equal, and it's absurd to try and pretend they are.


I will, however, add that all of those games I mentioned before in this thread all run beautifully on the late 2012 Mac Mini all the way up to 1080p resolution (highest quality) in spite of using one of those intel graphics cards "not made for gaming". It's actually pretty impressive that even the lower end Macs which don't meet the graphic card requirments can STILL pull it off without any problems, glitches, artifacts, or anything like that. [/quote]
Yes, but you see that around 24% of Mac are running that. And 3% of Windows users are running on the Intel HD Graphics. And Windows machines running GPUs cost about the same or less then Mac computers that don't. Simple. Apple obviously doesn't have gaming in mind.

[Hopper]

引用自 Ericrct：

Also apple likes the touchpad. Another sign that they are not made for games.

Your logic here is woefully backwards. It's Microsoft who loves the touchpad, that's why Windows 8 takes the most powerful operating system ever designed for a tablet computer and tries to run it on a PC. Then it expects everyone to buy a new display to make the interfaces work as designed. Lol. To their credit, many of the new Windows 8 laptops come with them now because if you’re going to run an OS built for a tablet then it really needs a touchscreen.

See, you've got it the wrong way around. It's Microsoft that loves the touchpad, not Apple. So by your own logic, shouldn't that make Windows 8 a sign that it's not made for games? Of corse it doesn't. You're just being a ridiculous. I'm starting to think I'm dealing with fanboyisim here. If that's the case, take it somewhere else. [/quote]First of all, I think you mean touchscreen, not touchpad. Read the word more carefully next time. Apple is making touchpads for desktops, while microsoft doesn't care if you have a touchpad or mouse. Ever tried to play a game on a touchpad? VERY hard.

[dr miguel]

There are a few mac games out there but I think there should be more.

[Teksura]

引用自 Ericrct：

引用自 Teksura：

See my previous post where I explain that in business, this is called a Market. You don't have to sell to 100% of that market to make a profit off of it. If you don't offer to that market, you gain a 0% profit. As evident by the thousands of games which are available on the Mac, most developers seem to disagree with your opinion, and seem to think they are making profits by reaching out to that market.

Yes, but if you spend the money to make the mac port, and you don't sell enough copies to mac users to make up for that cost, you lose money. So some developers would not take the risk.

So, your logic basically amounts to "Yes I acknowledge that many developers DO recognize the market and most of them DO create a port because they DO think they will be making a profit by doing so... BUT THEY MIGHT NOT!"


You're not doing a lot to convince me you're not backed by nothing but fanboyisim.

引用自 Ericrct：

引用自 Teksura：

I covered this in my last post, but I'm suspecting you didn't really read it. As I stated, yes, some of the lower end and more affordable Macs (e.g. Mac Mini) use lesser graphics cards. The same is true for many PCs which are lower end and less expensive. Therefore what? Not all units are created equal, and it's absurd to try and pretend they are.


I will, however, add that all of those games I mentioned before in this thread all run beautifully on the late 2012 Mac Mini all the way up to 1080p resolution (highest quality) in spite of using one of those intel graphics cards "not made for gaming". It's actually pretty impressive that even the lower end Macs which don't meet the graphic card requirements can STILL pull it off without any problems, glitches, artifacts, or anything like that.

Yes, but you see that around 24% of Mac are running that. And 3% of Windows users are running on the Intel HD Graphics. And Windows machines running GPUs cost about the same or less then Mac computers that don't. Simple. Apple obviously doesn't have gaming in mind.

You can't make a point just by making up numbers and claiming they support your point of view. What you've said here has no basis in fact.

引用自 Ericrct：

引用自 Teksura：

Your logic here is woefully backwards. It's Microsoft who loves the touchpad, that's why Windows 8 takes the most powerful operating system ever designed for a tablet computer and tries to run it on a PC. Then it expects everyone to buy a new display to make the interfaces work as designed. Lol. To their credit, many of the new Windows 8 laptops come with them now because if you’re going to run an OS built for a tablet then it really needs a touchscreen.

See, you've got it the wrong way around. It's Microsoft that loves the touchpad, not Apple. So by your own logic, shouldn't that make Windows 8 a sign that it's not made for games? Of corse it doesn't. You're just being a ridiculous. I'm starting to think I'm dealing with fanboyisim here. If that's the case, take it somewhere else.

First of all, I think you mean touchscreen, not touchpad. Read the word more carefully next time. Apple is making touchpads for desktops, while microsoft doesn't care if you have a touchpad or mouse. Ever tried to play a game on a touchpad? VERY hard.

So let me get this straight:

* You use the term "touchpad", which is most commonly used to refer to the tactile touch interface found on tablet computers.

* I point out that you're wrong about Apple being the ones "in love with it" and prove that Microsoft are the ones who can’t get enough of it.

* While showing an utter disregard for forum-posting etiquette with your quote tags, you quickly backpedal and attack me for not pretending you said an entirely different word. all the while, you don’t bother to clarify which word I was supposed to be pretending you had said. So what are you pretending you were trying to talk about here? Are you now talking about trackpads? The touch interface for found on all laptops (both Mac and PC). If that's the case, maybe you should say what you mean instead of saying something else entirely. For trackpads, so what if Apple laptops use the same trackpads that windows laptops use, thus requiring users of both to plug in a USB mouse if they are playing games. Were you trying to make a point or is this just a bad attempt to troll the mac discussion forums?



Honestly, I'm getting bored of pointing out the massive, glaring flaws in your fanboy-fueled, fact-free posts. So I'll ask you one more time to take the fanboyism elsewhere.

[Hopper]

引用自 Teksura：

引用自 Ericrct：

Yes, but if you spend the money to make the mac port, and you don't sell enough copies to mac users to make up for that cost, you lose money. So some developers would not take the risk.

So, your logic basically amounts to "Yes I acknowledge that many developers DO recognize the market and most of them DO create a port because they DO think they will be making a profit by doing so... BUT THEY MIGHT NOT!"


You're not doing a lot to convince me you're not backed by nothing but fanboyisim.

引用自 Ericrct：

Yes, but you see that around 24% of Mac are running that. And 3% of Windows users are running on the Intel HD Graphics. And Windows machines running GPUs cost about the same or less then Mac computers that don't. Simple. Apple obviously doesn't have gaming in mind.

You can't make a point just by making up numbers and claiming they support your point of view. What you've said here has no basis in fact.

引用自 Ericrct：

First of all, I think you mean touchscreen, not touchpad. Read the word more carefully next time. Apple is making touchpads for desktops, while microsoft doesn't care if you have a touchpad or mouse. Ever tried to play a game on a touchpad? VERY hard.

So let me get this straight:

* You use the term "touchpad", which is most commonly used to refer to the tactile touch interface found on tablet computers.

* I point out that you're wrong about Apple being the ones "in love with it" and prove that Microsoft are the ones who can’t get enough of it.

* While showing an utter disregard for forum-posting etiquette with your quote tags, you quickly backpedal and attack me for not pretending you said an entirely different word. all the while, you don’t bother to clarify which word I was supposed to be pretending you had said. So what are you pretending you were trying to talk about here? Are you now talking about trackpads? The touch interface for found on all laptops (both Mac and PC). If that's the case, maybe you should say what you mean instead of saying something else entirely. For trackpads, so what if Apple laptops use the same trackpads that windows laptops use, thus requiring users of both to plug in a USB mouse if they are playing games. Were you trying to make a point or is this just a bad attempt to troll the mac discussion forums?



Honestly, I'm getting bored of pointing out the massive, glaring flaws in your fanboy-fueled, fact-free posts. So I'll ask you one more time to take the fanboyism elsewhere.

A: I was referring to the smaller developers that can't afford to port. B: Numbers are very effective in pointing out facts C: The majority or people think of the square pad below the keyboard when they hear "touchpad."Ask around and most people will think of that. By the way, I am not making up numbers. My fault for not citing my sources but I found those in the Steam Hardware and Software survey. I don't see how we can possibly reach an agreement here considering that we are both going to stick to our operating system of choice, although I still belive that my original arguments were correct and you can't seem to see my point of view.

[Ron ︻气デ 一]

huh?

http://www.macgamerhq.com/top-games-for-mac/

[Teksura]

Sigh.

引用自 Ericrct：

A: I was referring to the smaller developers that can't afford to port.

You mean those smaler developers, most of which ARE doing the ports? What you're doing here is basically equating "most" to "none". It's like you look at the facts right in front of you which clearly show most indie developers are easily doing the ports and then turning around and denying they even exist purely on the basis that the fanboy doesn't like it. That's nonsense.

引用自 Ericrct：

B: Numbers are very effective in pointing out facts

you mean like how you admit yourself that a heavy minority are using the lesser Intel graphics cards (leaving a sweeping majority using the higher end graphics cards)? What facts are you saying there? Are you saying that we should close our eyes and pretend that everyone is using the Intel cards just because the fanboy says so? What about the fact that on a Mac, the Intel cards are STILL capable of running the graphic intensive games at high resolution with no problems?

引用自 Ericrct：

C: The majority or people think of the square pad below the keyboard when they hear "touchpad."Ask around and most people will think of that.

You can't redefine terms just because you made a bogus claim. You can try to pretend the terms are different, but it's easy enough to prove. I'll go ahead and "ask anyone":


Here is a what Google says is a Touchpad[www.google.com]. Notice how the vast majority of images are tablets.
Here is what Google says is a trackpad[www.google.com]. Notice how they're all very different items and the vast majority of them are exactly what I said they were.

It appears that "anyone" disagrees with your attempt to redefine terms just to cover up your bogus claim.




But I'll humor your new attempt at making a point.

Suppose you really meant to critisize the fact that Apple laptops use trackpads same as PC laptops. Therefore what? How exactly did you intend to suggest that this is a bad thing on a macbook but a really good thing on a windows PC? would this be another argument backed only with "because the fanboy says so"? See, that's the problem with trying to go back and change your story.

引用自 Ericrct：

I don't see how we can possibly reach an agreement here considering that we are both going to stick to our operating system of choice, although I still belive that my original arguments were correct and you can't seem to see my point of view.

It’s very difficult to see a “point” in a point of a view when it is largely factually incorrect, based on pretending that the minorities are the rule, and “because the fanboy says so”. You’ve made very little attempt to actually address the inaccuracies pointed out to you, instead choosing to sidestep them and pretend something else entirely. Lets review:


You’re made aware that most developers, especially small indie developers, DO see a profit in porting their games to the mac… and claim this is proof that they don’t see any profit and won’t do it even though they currently are.

You claim yourself that the vast majority of Mac users are using higher end graphics cards, and only a small number use Intel cards… And claim this is proof that “Macs aren’t made for gaming” because “they use Intel cards” even though you’re fully aware that on a Mac, those Intel cards are still more than fully capable of running at full quality.

You claim that Apply loves touch pads therefore proof of something… And then backtrack on this to claim that you were REALLY talking about how their laptops use trackpads when you’re embarrassed by the fact that it’s actually WINDOWS who loves touch pads.

You try to claim that Apple is good for gaming because Apple laptops come with a trackpad therefore something… And then utterly ignore it when you are called out on the fact in my last post that guess what, PC laptops ALSO come with those trackpads! You ignore that “laptop comes with a trackpad” is a null argument due to the fact that anyone actually playing a game on a laptop will simply plug in a UBS mouse regardless of what platform they use.




I’ve asked you several times to take your fanboyism elsewhere. It’s obvious you’re not here to hold a proper discussion. And frankly, it’s pretty sad when someone thinks that to get their jollies, they need to go into the mac discussion forums and this desperately try to attack an operating system they personally don’t use.

[Hopper]

引用自 Teksura：

Sigh.

引用自 Ericrct：

A: I was referring to the smaller developers that can't afford to port.

You mean those smaler developers, most of which ARE doing the ports? What you're doing here is basically equating "most" to "none". It's like you look at the facts right in front of you which clearly show most indie developers are easily doing the ports and then turning around and denying they even exist purely on the basis that the fanboy doesn't like it. That's nonsense.

引用自 Ericrct：

B: Numbers are very effective in pointing out facts

you mean like how you admit yourself that a heavy minority are using the lesser Intel graphics cards (leaving a sweeping majority using the higher end graphics cards)? What facts are you saying there? Are you saying that we should close our eyes and pretend that everyone is using the Intel cards just because the fanboy says so? What about the fact that on a Mac, the Intel cards are STILL capable of running the graphic intensive games at high resolution with no problems?

引用自 Ericrct：

C: The majority or people think of the square pad below the keyboard when they hear "touchpad."Ask around and most people will think of that.

You can't redefine terms just because you made a bogus claim. You can try to pretend the terms are different, but it's easy enough to prove. I'll go ahead and "ask anyone":


Here is a what Google says is a Touchpad[www.google.com]. Notice how the vast majority of images are tablets.
Here is what Google says is a trackpad[www.google.com]. Notice how they're all very different items and the vast majority of them are exactly what I said they were.

It appears that "anyone" disagrees with your attempt to redefine terms just to cover up your bogus claim.




But I'll humor your new attempt at making a point.

Suppose you really meant to critisize the fact that Apple laptops use trackpads same as PC laptops. Therefore what? How exactly did you intend to suggest that this is a bad thing on a macbook but a really good thing on a windows PC? would this be another argument backed only with "because the fanboy says so"? See, that's the problem with trying to go back and change your story.

引用自 Ericrct：

I don't see how we can possibly reach an agreement here considering that we are both going to stick to our operating system of choice, although I still belive that my original arguments were correct and you can't seem to see my point of view.

It’s very difficult to see a “point” in a point of a view when it is largely factually incorrect, based on pretending that the minorities are the rule, and “because the fanboy says so”. You’ve made very little attempt to actually address the inaccuracies pointed out to you, instead choosing to sidestep them and pretend something else entirely. Lets review:


You’re made aware that most developers, especially small indie developers, DO see a profit in porting their games to the mac… and claim this is proof that they don’t see any profit and won’t do it even though they currently are.

You claim yourself that the vast majority of Mac users are using higher end graphics cards, and only a small number use Intel cards… And claim this is proof that “Macs aren’t made for gaming” because “they use Intel cards” even though you’re fully aware that on a Mac, those Intel cards are still more than fully capable of running at full quality.

You claim that Apply loves touch pads therefore proof of something… And then backtrack on this to claim that you were REALLY talking about how their laptops use trackpads when you’re embarrassed by the fact that it’s actually WINDOWS who loves touch pads.

You try to claim that Apple is good for gaming because Apple laptops come with a trackpad therefore something… And then utterly ignore it when you are called out on the fact in my last post that guess what, PC laptops ALSO come with those trackpads! You ignore that “laptop comes with a trackpad” is a null argument due to the fact that anyone actually playing a game on a laptop will simply plug in a UBS mouse regardless of what platform they use.




I’ve asked you several times to take your fanboyism elsewhere. It’s obvious you’re not here to hold a proper discussion. And frankly, it’s pretty sad when someone thinks that to get their jollies, they need to go into the mac discussion forums and this desperately try to attack an operating system they personally don’t use.

I wasn't attacking Macs. I was explaining why not all games are on mac. I do think that Macs have their purpose,I just don't think that gaming is it. And the reason why I call a touchpad/trackpad differently may be region based.

[76561198131434754]

引用自 Teksura：

引用自 Ericrct：

mac computers were not really built with gaming in mind. Developers dont see much profit in making them for mac.

1998 called. They want their outdated facts back.


Go back to the original iMacs and you might be right. They weren't built for games, they were built for video editing and simple plug and play internet connectivity. But you're citing something which was true16 years ago, not something which is true today.


Today, many Macs are designed with gaming capibilities in mind. While it is true that certain modles are designed to be cheaper and not have the higher end graphics cards (e.g. Mac Mini), they're often still capable of pulling it off anyway. Bioshock Infinite, Borderlands 2, Batman: Arkham City, they all run beautifuly even on the mac mini.


Yes, 95% use Windows (I think you counted the 1.2% of Linux users in with the Windows users there). but also consider that the recent peak activity on steam was 7,018,668 users. 3.5% of that is 245,653 Mac users (Keep in mind, those numbers are peak users online at once, not the total number of steam users). In buisnes terms, that's called a market. And looking at all of the apple logos on the various games, it seems that most developers DO see a profit in providing cross-platform support so they can reach out to that market.

Salute. Basically, most entertaining games are only built for windows. How about the mac users? It just seem bias with these OS platform.

[Ron ︻气デ 一]

http://www.macgamerhq.com/top-games-for-mac/

[THORgym]

ok

[Ron ︻气デ 一]

Deus EX just appeared on Steam for Mac. = ( I bought it last week from Game Agent and sorry I did. Their downloading is poor at best and I've not be able to download it from there since I purchased it. DRATS - what took you so long steam? I bought borderlands 1 from GameAgent at the same time. After about 20-30 tries, I did manage to download that a couple nights ago. It bugs me that steam doesn't sell Mac versions of games that others are selling.

[Teksura]

That one is the fault of Feral interactive. They did the Mac port for Borderlands 1 and refuse to allow the mac version on steam since then they would lose control of the pricing for the steam version.