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Why do people hate YouTube reviewers like Angry Joe and Total Biscuit?
As the title says, why do people hate YouTube reviewers like Angry Joe and Total Biscuit?
I know that their fans can be annoying how they spam their videos, but why do people hate them so much? What is your opinion on this matter?



My opinion:

In a day and age where the so called "real" reviewers are bought out and too afraid to get their panties wet to give us a real review, these guys are more important than ever, I think.

People don't like AngryJoe because of how he sometimes blows his top and expresses some things in an uncivil way at times, and others don't like how TB is opinionated. But the thing is we need people like this today, sometimes we need people to tell it to us like it really is, without the sugar coating! Sometimes I get sick of seeing the "real" reviewers never crossing the line, never asking the hard questions because they don't want to lose their sponsors and being too afraid that they may offend someone.



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Avon 2014年7月22日 17時03分 
Yeah I don't like angry joe....
Personally I don't like Total Biscuit because of how dilluted his opinion of game quality is. "Oh look everyone, a game's below 60 FPS, holy sh*t, this game is f*cking awful!" is pretty much TB in a nutshell. The way I view him can be defined in two words.

Window Dressing.

While I love Angry Joe because of the fact he gets angry and uncivil, because that's how I am when game developers f*ck with me, and nobody likes me or any other actual gamer getting angry, because I'll verbally tear you apart or try my best to when I am.

Plus he's not afraid of dropping the hammer on a game he's reviewing, more so than anyone else (save for JonTron, the two are pretty much the same, only one's usually angry or easily angered, and the other is carefree and easily broken, maybe a bit insane).

I feel that because Angry Joe is more HUMAN, he's a more reliable source, and I've checked the games he's given a 1/10 or even a 2/10, and every point he's ever made is totally accurate. as such I trust him more than any other, if anything, I'd use him as an example to rate all other reviewers by (save for Jon, because he's freaking silly, and silly is my favorite).

He's just... so entertaining, so human... and he tells the truth, sparing nobody. Ever.

Anybody else, I don't know of. I've watched so much of Joe's videos, that I haven't gotten recommendations for other reviewers in 5 months pretty much.

Also TB's commentary... well I only watched one video of his, but in comparison, it's simply lacking. He's pessimistic and not in a good way, he seems cynical all the time and not in a fun way (tohugh being cynical seems to be what he is known for... The Cynical Brit) and... well honestly I know of tons of better casters, Husky being one.

Just ofcourse opinion. However when graphics are like... one of the main points in a game review, you know you done f*cked up. Video or text, it doesn't matter.

Oh, final note, TB bases it all on his own opinion, which is not how you review things (unless you're doing satire, like Nostalgia Critic, Jon Tron Show, Cinema Snob and AVGN, opinion is so irrelevant, you'd have to successfully divide by zero after surviving chuck norris just to get a number close to it) and just... fails to entertain. Cynicysm isn't funny, i know someone who thinks everyone's out for their blood and that ain't funny to hear and it won't ever be.

Angry Joe is... I've already said enough actually.

Oh, not really a reviewer per se, but Vinny of Vinesauce and also Joel of the same group.

Then Jon Tron is just... so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥* wierd and silly and funny.
最近の変更はSlimurgical (Stormy)が行いました; 2015年1月29日 23時10分
Stormy Facade (Commander-Strife) の投稿を引用:
Personally I don't like Total Biscuit because of how dilluted his opinion of game quality is. "Oh look everyone, a game's below 60 FPS, holy sh*t, this game is f*cking awful!" is pretty much TB in a nutshell. The way I view him can be defined in two words.

Window Dressing.

While I love Angry Joe because of the fact he gets angry and uncivil, because that's how I am when game developers f*ck with me, and nobody likes me or any other actual gamer getting angry, because I'll verbally tear you apart or try my best to when I am.

Plus he's not afraid of dropping the hammer on a game he's reviewing, more so than anyone else (save for JonTron, the two are pretty much the same, only one's usually angry or easily angered, and the other is carefree and easily broken, maybe a bit insane).

I feel that because Angry Joe is more HUMAN, he's a more reliable source, and I've checked the games he's given a 1/10 or even a 2/10, and every point he's ever made is totally accurate. as such I trust him more than any other, if anything, I'd use him as an example to rate all other reviewers by (save for Jon, because he's freaking silly, and silly is my favorite).

He's just... so entertaining, so human... and he tells the truth, sparing nobody. Ever.

Anybody else, I don't know of. I've watched so much of Joe's videos, that I haven't gotten recommendations for other reviewers in 5 months pretty much.

Nice Necro. But really. I agree with a lot of what you say. Even though I don't watch youtubers. I can....not....stand Total Biscuit. I think he is an opinionated, whiney, self absorbed lunatic and I can't stand his fans either because they are just as dense as he is (sorry to TB fans that might see this, just calling it like I have seen it). Angry Joe on the other hand, from what I have seen, seems to wear his insanity on his sleeve. But it makes his reviews a little more entertaining. And he doesn't allow his stupid pet peeves to keep him from making a more honest review. Easily one of the better reviewers on youtube. Other than those two. I don't really know of anyone.
最近の変更はsupertrooper225が行いました; 2015年1月29日 23時45分
When the review blokes criticise a game, that game's fanboys be like
"U W0T M80??? FNAF420 IS BEST GAME, U SUCK!!!"
Then the fanboys start spraying propaganda like "this review bloke is a bad person, unsub him. now."
最近の変更はMecha Carnyが行いました; 2015年1月29日 23時48分
Hated by whom? I have never see any TB haters.
WireframeGuy の投稿を引用:
Hated by whom? I have never see any TB haters.

Hi....cannot stand him.
WireframeGuy の投稿を引用:
Hated by whom?

Who cares? Probably the fanboys of the games he didn't like.

I have never see any TB haters.

I'm not looking for them. Seriously, when a video pops up that I'm interested in I just watch it -- why would I care what other people think?
I can't stand TB. From the few "WTF is..." videos I've seen from him, he doesn't play the games long enough to really give in depth reviews. It's mostly first impressions and he bases his opinion of the entire game on that. I love Angry Joe's work though. He actually plays the games all the way through and fully reviews them pointing out the pros and cons.
最近の変更はFilteredが行いました; 2015年1月30日 3時04分
Stormy Facade (Commander-Strife) の投稿を引用:
Personally I don't like Total Biscuit because of how dilluted his opinion of game quality is. "Oh look everyone, a game's below 60 FPS, holy sh*t, this game is f*cking awful!" is pretty much TB in a nutshell.

TB has 2 980's in SLI and before that he had 2 titans. If a game is runnning below 60FPS of his kind of rig then there IS a problem with that game.

also i would descibed TB in two words with

FOV sliders


Stormy Facade (Commander-Strife) の投稿を引用:

Also TB's commentary... well I only watched one video of his, but in comparison, it's simply lacking. He's pessimistic and not in a good way, he seems cynical all the time and not in a fun way (tohugh being cynical seems to be what he is known for... The Cynical Brit) and... well honestly I know of tons of better casters, Husky being one.

TB isn't reaaly that Cynical. He may be overly critical and nitpicky but thats kind what he does and is partly the reason i (and a few of thousand others) like his videos

The more i read of your post the more it seem's TB's just not to your taste as opposed to being straight up bad at what he does.

Stormy Facade (Commander-Strife) の投稿を引用:
Oh, final note, TB bases it all on his own opinion, which is not how you review things and just... fails to entertain.

Aren't all game reviews primarly opinion based? if any anything i would say that
最近の変更はUn*******iveSamが行いました; 2015年1月30日 3時04分
Alcatraz Ghoul の投稿を引用:
I can't stand TB. From the few "WTF is..." videos I've seen from him, he doesn't play the games long enough to really give in depth reviews.

Yes. Every once in a while he says they are not reviews -- I ignore that and treat them like reviews.

Because, frankly, if I don't like the game after an hour of gameplay, chances are I won't like it after 50 hours of gameplay either. And he DOES give a good look at the game.

I may not always agree with him, but that doesn't matter given that there's a lot of material in the WTFs to see to get my own opinion. For example, he didn't like Rocketbirds Hardboiled Chicken -- but I bought it anyway based on what I saw in the video, and consider it a very good game.

I love Angry Joe's work though. He actually plays the games all the way through and fully reviews them pointing out the pros and cons.

Yes, those are reviews. Angry Joe doesn't do all that much, which is good -- sometimes his overly theatrical style is just too much.

War_Pig_s の投稿を引用:
also i would descibed TB in two words with

FOV sliders

Yeah, and half the video is about the options menu :-) I don't even understand the fuss about "FOV sliders" and half of the other crap he's looking for.

Often enough I just skip that and get to the part where he actually looks at the game.
COW 2015年1月30日 4時02分 
i hate all reviewers
harrylipwig の投稿を引用:
They are loud and the pull stupid faces, must of the top Youtubers do though- gamers anyway- but I think that is to appeal to the kids. They do most of the subscribing.
Zefar 2015年1月30日 6時16分 
Alcatraz Ghoul の投稿を引用:
I can't stand TB. From the few "WTF is..." videos I've seen from him, he doesn't play the games long enough to really give in depth reviews. It's mostly first impressions and he bases his opinion of the entire game on that. I love Angry Joe's work though. He actually plays the games all the way through and fully reviews them pointing out the pros and cons.
That's because TB always does first impressions. He will first play the game for some hours or so. Maybe more depending on what game it is.


Do you know what TB hates? Puzzle platformers. He has reviewed a lot of those yet he doesn't trash them to hell and back. Because he can look at things objectively
Even when he's bad at a puzzle game he will not just slam it because he knows he's the problem.


Kargor の投稿を引用:
Yes. Every once in a while he says they are not reviews -- I ignore that and treat them like reviews.
TB does FIRST IMPRESSION. This is vital information because FIRST IMPRESSIONS are not reviews. They never will be, he never claim they are a review.



Stormy Facade (Commander-Strife) の投稿を引用:
Personally I don't like Total Biscuit because of how dilluted his opinion of game quality is. "Oh look everyone, a game's below 60 FPS, holy sh*t, this game is f*cking awful!" is pretty much TB in a nutshell. The way I view him can be defined in two words.
I just can not believe there are people still around in 2015 that are ok with less than 60 FPS. It's amazing really. Did you also pre order and defend Ubisoft on their Watchdog game and Assassin creed Unity? Because those games where just horrible.



Kargor の投稿を引用:
Yeah, and half the video is about the options menu :-) I don't even understand the fuss about "FOV sliders" and half of the other crap he's looking for.

Often enough I just skip that and get to the part where he actually looks at the game.

Let me show you two pictures with different FOV on.
This is your standard like 60 FOV that most games have these days[dl.dropboxusercontent.com]
This is 85 FOV which is what I use.[dl.dropboxusercontent.com]
This is 110 FOV[dl.dropboxusercontent.com]
Those where taken quite some time ago and I have a bigger screen but they do show the difference. Other games use FOV in another way too.

So TB wants to see more FOV sliders because low FOV can cause motion sickness for people. He CARES about quality, something which you don't seem to do at all.

Graphic options should also be quite fleshed out so that you can balance what you want to look good and what you're willing to sacrifice for better FPS.

But the more people like you ignore quality the worse games we will get. The more you pre order games that will be ♥♥♥♥ the more they will produce them. Why bother with quality when people buy it anyway?

This is basically what's destroying the gaming industry at the moment. People not wanting any sort of quality in their game. They just buy it and move on.
Zefar の投稿を引用:
That's because TB always does first impressions. He will first play the game for some hours or so. Maybe more depending on what game it is.

That isn't first impression. That is "preliminary impression". If you played it for several hours, its hardly a first impression when you are halfway through the game. First impression is going in blind, having your impression and share that impression. It is not playing it for hours, taking a day or a week or so to reflect and read up on message boards, the way TB does it, and then give his opinion.

It might not be a review, but except for that new series, where he gives games 15 minutes to impress him, he doesn't do first impression either.

Zefar の投稿を引用:
Stormy Facade (Commander-Strife) の投稿を引用:
Personally I don't like Total Biscuit because of how dilluted his opinion of game quality is. "Oh look everyone, a game's below 60 FPS, holy sh*t, this game is f*cking awful!" is pretty much TB in a nutshell. The way I view him can be defined in two words.
I just can not believe there are people still around in 2015 that are ok with less than 60 FPS. It's amazing really. Did you also pre order and defend Ubisoft on their Watchdog game and Assassin creed Unity? Because those games where just horrible.

I don't preorder, and i am not Stormy Facade, but Watchdogs got an unfair shake and while 60fps would be nice, its certainly not as important as TB and some other PC nerds make it out to be. A ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game at 60fps is still a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. And i rather play a good game at 30 than a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ one at 60.

Kargor の投稿を引用:
Yeah, and half the video is about the options menu :-) I don't even understand the fuss about "FOV sliders" and half of the other crap he's looking for.

Same thing with color blind settings and color skins for the UI. They just need to exist for the people that suffer either from perception deficits and those that suffer from Simulation Sickness. TB does claim to suffer from the later, which is the reason the FOV slider is important to him.

And i personally consider it important because i do not like playing at <80 FOV

Zefar の投稿を引用:
He CARES about quality, something which you don't seem to do at all.

He doesn't or he wouldn't feature so many bad iOS ports on his channel. He cares about stroking his ego by expecting his superinflated PC to bestow him with some sort of performance ideal he set for himself.

His complaints about how the game runs is pretty much point and useless for the majority of the customers, because they do not sport an such expensive rig.

So no, he doesn't care about quality, he does care about himself.

Zefar の投稿を引用:
But the more people like you ignore quality the worse games we will get.

I've more memories of amazing games prior to the year 2000 than i am having after the year 2000, so for some reason i fail to see how expecting games to push the envelop on the graphic end of things is helping us to get better games. Matter of fact, it does the opposite. Harping on about how they aren't good enough, just means more resources are put into ultra realistic graphics nobody needs to enjoy a game.

Accepting that 30fps are good enough, on 720p, is also a way to tell developers "it's time we concentrate on content and quality of said content again", rather have them go sink a couple more millions into shallow high fidelity experiences. We get way to many of those. And if companies would get to dial back the graphics a little and go for less "cutting edge", because we stop demanding it all the time, it would actually catch up and maybe give us those 120fps albeit with a different graphic style.


And in my opinion guys like TBs, as much as i can respect his reviews, are the main reason this industry goes down hill. TBs opinions, outside his reviews, are about the most harmful things i ever heard postulated from someone with so much influence on the industry. And since he is the biggest PC gaming channel on youtube, his opinion is heard a lot.

Opinions like him pushing for episodic content, and how he is fine with being sold 4 hours experiences, so people can decide if they want it, are dangerous. He also never really expressed a problem with games being piecemealed as DLC.

Preorder is bad, but selling half the game as mini DLC, apparently is fine.


His opinions and expectations towards videogames are largely so far removed from the average gamer that they are unimportant. When he started he was one of the average gamers, which made his opinions something to take note of, now he's become the 1% of videogamers and his opinions are representative of that, no matter how much he pretends to do it for the 'little guys'.
Zefar 2015年1月30日 8時05分 
Ishan451 の投稿を引用:
That isn't first impression. That is "preliminary impression". If you played it for several hours, its hardly a first impression when you are halfway through the game. First impression is going in blind, having your impression and share that impression. It is not playing it for hours, taking a day or a week or so to reflect and read up on message boards, the way TB does it, and then give his opinion.

It might not be a review, but except for that new series, where he gives games 15 minutes to impress him, he doesn't do first impression either.
It gets close enough to first impression. The only reason he play it for a while is to get to know it a bit better.


Ishan451 の投稿を引用:
I don't preorder, and i am not Stormy Facade, but Watchdogs got an unfair shake and while 60fps would be nice, its certainly not as important as TB and some other PC nerds make it out to be. A ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game at 60fps is still a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. And i rather play a good game at 30 than a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ one at 60.
A 30 FPS game is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. It just is. 60 FPS is important because it makes the game better. Makes them more responsive, makes it feel smoother and is easier on the eyes.


Ishan451 の投稿を引用:
He doesn't or he wouldn't feature so many bad iOS ports on his channel. He cares about stroking his ego by expecting his superinflated PC to bestow him with some sort of performance ideal he set for himself.

His complaints about how the game runs is pretty much point and useless for the majority of the customers, because they do not sport an such expensive rig.

So no, he doesn't care about quality, he does care about himself.
He reviews Indie games for a living. That means reviewing bad indie ports. His channel was dedicated to indie games for a long time. He does take a look at major titles but it's generally indie games.

If a game runs poorly on his beefy system then one could wonder how poorly it'll run on peoples system that are worse than his. So then it might be a good idea to hold off on the purchase and see what the community have to say about it.

As for him caring about himself. Yea, that's something I've not really seen in his videos.

Ishan451 の投稿を引用:
I've more memories of amazing games prior to the year 2000 than i am having after the year 2000, so for some reason i fail to see how expecting games to push the envelop on the graphic end of things is helping us to get better games. Matter of fact, it does the opposite. Harping on about how they aren't good enough, just means more resources are put into ultra realistic graphics nobody needs to enjoy a game.
Graphics isn't something TB is striving for in most games. Unless they just look really really bad.
But you do not sacrifice FPS for graphics. You just don't. All though not sure what this has to do with TB because most of the time it's the gameplay parts he's annoyed about.

Ishan451 の投稿を引用:
Accepting that 30fps are good enough, on 720p, is also a way to tell developers "it's time we concentrate on content and quality of said content again", rather have them go sink a couple more millions into shallow high fidelity experiences. We get way to many of those. And if companies would get to dial back the graphics a little and go for less "cutting edge", because we stop demanding it all the time, it would actually catch up and maybe give us those 120fps albeit with a different graphic style.
No, that's a way to tell Developers "We don't care about quality" and it's exactly what happened. Not to mention games that run on 30 FPS have never really offered anything spectacular.
He's never really complained all that much about graphics in most games.



Ishan451 の投稿を引用:
And in my opinion guys like TBs, as much as i can respect his reviews, are the main reason this industry goes down hill. TBs opinions, outside his reviews, are about the most harmful things i ever heard postulated from someone with so much influence on the industry. And since he is the biggest PC gaming channel on youtube, his opinion is heard a lot.

This I call bull on. TB is trying to get games to have better options, more features and generally be better and this is supposedly bad for the industry? What?

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