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The Dogfather 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 2:45
Origin vs. Steam
I was one of the many to cry foul over all new EA products not being available for sale on the Steam platform and like many were forced to use the software to play some of the newer stuff (ME3, Most Wanted, Syndicate, Dead Space 3) even though I swore I would never load Origin on my PC (lets face it EA has some of the best franchises around so I was just kidding myself at the end of the day). But then I swore the same thing about Steam back in 05/06/07. I have run into the odd trouble here and there...par for the course in the digital era.

What astounds me is how quickly EA reponds to support tickets. I have lodged two and the turn around response time was fantastic, one of them literally in minutes. I even got access to one of the developers when the Support Specialist couldn't help me anymore.

If Steam doesn't want to be caught coasting on their laurels this is definitely something they should look into ASAP as the response from Steam takes sometimes as long 72 hrs before you even get a message to say they are looking at your query.

I love Valve and the Steam platform but I got to hand it to EA and their Origin platform...they have got their ♥♥♥♥ together on the other side. They just need to work on those digital prices if they want me to shop. Currently the retail versions of their games are sometimes 20% cheaper than the digital versions here in South Africa. I mean what was the point of going digital if the customer is not seeing the savings when the middle man gets cut out. I could say the same thing for Steam. Its like we are being treated like idiots. I've long since learned to only buy games in sales now...period.
最後修改者:The Dogfather; 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 4:36
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H3X 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 3:40 
The exclusive titles and support are likely the only things EA have to hold over Valve and Steam though. You never know, maybe when those exclusive titles are older they might market them elsewhere, but for now we just have to use both if we want them. Valve is involved in trying to port as much of its system to Linux as possible right now (look at the store). They're entering the harware market (steam's piston project, and others), marketing software and not just games now, supporting TV and controller usage for ease of use (big picture) and currently have ~50 mil users so taking that into account support may well be slow, but I wouldn't have though it resting on their laurels.

Personally I have little problem with either of them, though I do prefer to use Steam.
Ganger 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 4:10 
引用自 TheBDK
Origin = Offline mode works, support is competent, not bloatware, way too expensive, ugly.
Steam = Offline mode is lol, support is lol, bloatware, nice deals but mostly re-runs, forced singleplayer updates.

Pick your poison.

I agree with Origin being way to expensive but I disagree with you on the offline mode. Offline mode works without a problem on steam. As long as you follow the instrutions then you should have no problems using steams offline mode.

I remember back in september 2003 when steam was first released, the public hated it, it was slow, crashed alot and ugly and everyone though it was going to fail. Like everyone hate Origin but in time people will start to love that too. But I do believe steam has saved PC gaming to some degree and now with this new steambox thingy due, PC gaming will at the forfront of gaming again.
BitmapBrother 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 4:28 
Yeah I think we've all sworn that Steam shall never darken our doorstep again at one point or another. I've never used Origin so I really can't comment but I imagine it gets the same amount of abuse that steam gets. Personally, on the whole EA thing I think EA are just downright greedy. There is no viable excuse for hoarding your games like that.Maybe one or two titles to encourage people to come over but the whole lot ? No thanks. I'll stick with my good old steam.
BitmapBrother 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 5:05 
引用自 TheBDK
引用自 Ganger
Offline mode works without a problem on steam. As long as you follow the instrutions then you should have no problems using steams offline mode.
1) Instructions are needed for offline mode? That's a fail right there.
2) When I unplug my connection, offline mode should work regardless. It does not.
3) Steam randomly, and I use that term loosely as it's probably designed to do this bs, lose your login credentials making offline mode even more useless.
4) Offline mode does not work.

1) You're not the only person who uses Steam. People who have just joined might not know how it works or that it even exists, so yes instructions are needed.
2) No because Steam doesn't know that that is what you want to do. You have to tell it that you want to go offline.
3) The only time I've had this issue is when doing a rollback on windows.Other than that I've never had this issue.
4)For you perhaps.
Jade 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 5:50 
引用自 BitmapBrother
Personally, on the whole EA thing I think EA are just downright greedy. There is no viable excuse for hoarding your games like that.Maybe one or two titles to encourage people to come over but the whole lot ? No thanks. I'll stick with my good old steam.

Every single Valve game requires Steam to run. How is that any different?
H3X 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 6:05 
引用自 Jade
Every single Valve game requires Steam to run. How is that any different?

There's a big difference in the fact that any titles exclusive to Origin require you to use the Origin store, and in the process of which (as it's owned and run by EA) EA can exclusively market more EA games to you. Yes, they're both digital DRM and both store clients etc, but at least Valve didn't create Steam to market more Valve titles while you play one that you have. It wasn't purely made for pushing what they created it was a DRM system for old HL2 games etc and the store sprung from that idea, since then it's become a full distributor in its own right, and more besides that. Origin will always likely just be EA's grounds, it's just an extension of their franchises.
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Mari Christmas 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 6:37 
can't spell valve without e and a
tmwfte 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 8:33 
引用自 BitmapBrother
引用自 TheBDK
1) Instructions are needed for offline mode? That's a fail right there.

1) You're not the only person who uses Steam. People who have just joined might not know how it works or that it even exists, so yes instructions are needed.

In regards to 1) I think you missed his point. Turning something to Offline Mode shouldn't need instructions, the fact that they are necessary -- to new or old user alike -- is the failure.

It should be that if Steam loses connection by Internet failure, power outage coupled with internet loss, etc. Offline mode should kick in (as it does for Origin and Uplay). Not ensure that Steam closes correctly while online in order to enable offline mode in startup (or copy the necessary credentials file beforehand in case of sudden interruption).
BitmapBrother 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 9:07 
引用自 tmwfte
引用自 BitmapBrother

1) You're not the only person who uses Steam. People who have just joined might not know how it works or that it even exists, so yes instructions are needed.

In regards to 1) I think you missed his point. Turning something to Offline Mode shouldn't need instructions, the fact that they are necessary -- to new or old user alike -- is the failure.

It should be that if Steam loses connection by Internet failure, power outage coupled with internet loss, etc. Offline mode should kick in (as it does for Origin and Uplay). Not ensure that Steam closes correctly while online in order to enable offline mode in startup (or copy the necessary credentials file beforehand in case of sudden interruption).

So your saying people who have just joined Steam for the very first time should automatically know how to do stuff ? Are you on drugs ? Secondly it's not that hard to push a button now is it ? Come on. Typical "I can't be bothered/ why don't you do it for me " attitude.
banzaigtv 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 9:29 
Origin allows you to register / install activation keys for most EA games purchased through Steam, install games on the 64-bit program files directory, and is a much more stable platform than Steam. You don't get many games from there, but I definitely prefer Origin's stability over the small game library any day. I prefer to have my games on Origin than Steam, especially after the disastrous client update.
tmwfte 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 10:50 
引用自 BitmapBrother
So your saying people who have just joined Steam for the very first time should automatically know how to do stuff ? Are you on drugs ? Secondly it's not that hard to push a button now is it ? Come on. Typical "I can't be bothered/ why don't you do it for me " attitude.

You're still missing the point. It's not that people should automatically know things, that's not the argument. It's that Steam's Offline Mode (and instructions in order to copy the appropriate file that you need to do before system crash/power failure in order to ensure that it works before said system crash/power failure) doesn't work unless you've followed the instructions. The average person is not going to look for instructions on ensuring Offline Mode working properly unless they've experienced a system crash/power failure at which point it's already too late to save your credentials.

To point in how the clients behave with a lack of internet connection after a power failure: Origin and Uplay -- automatically goes into offline mode | Steam -- tries to log in online, if the credentials are not already saved on your computer (via either shutting down Steam properly -- which is impossible in a power failure situation -- or following the instructions to copy the credentials files -- which the average person wouldn't even think of until it happens), you're hooped and cannot play the games.

Do you understand why the process for saving your credentials from the "instructions" -- which honestly are user-found and not in support's knowledgebase -- is a failure? Or do you just want to hurl more insults?
ActFolant 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 11:05 
Offline mode has always worked easy enough for me.

Online and lose connection. No problem. Can still do everything I could before.(Playing games, etc.)
Starting steam without internet connection, no problem. (This is without selecting "Go offline." prior to closing steam while online.)

When I start Steam while not connected, I get the option to retry connecting or to start in Offline mode.
Isn't it like this with everyone?
J.A.F.O. 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 11:06 
So your saying people who have just joined Steam for the very first time should automatically know how to do stuff ? Are you on drugs ? Secondly it's not that hard to push a button now is it ? Come on. Typical "I can't be bothered/ why don't you do it for me " attitude.

For the record as well, I aint druggin' but you do actually miss the point on offline mode.
I'll make it a little easier to understand:

My gaming rig is a laptop, so when out take out the AC-plug it automatically goes in several Eco modes to get me the best scenario for whatever I'm doing.
After draining the battery for a couple of hours I plug it back in and hey presto the darn thing starts charging and I get my 90fps back :)..No pop-ups, questions, toasters nothing, it just acts.

Steam (and any other internet based app) has to function like that as well, I assume Steam does send out some kind of keep-alive signal, so when that fails Steam should goto offline mode with the exception perhaps of showing this via a toaster but that should be it.
And vice versa when internet is restored.

I'm not too lazy about pressing a button but a needless press for something that already I knew would happen is dumb too.
tmwfte 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 11:07 
引用自 The The Folant
When I start Steam while not connected, I get the option to retry connecting or to start in Offline mode.
Isn't it like this with everyone?

No. If Steam hasn't shut down correctly via a power failure/system crash, it won't go into Offline Mode properly when your computer restarts.
BitmapBrother 2013 年 2 月 17 日 上午 11:11 
@tmwfte Ah now we're getting somewhere. First of all I apologize for the insult. It was uncalled for. Secondly you didn't state that when you first posted all you said was "it was a failure" without stating why, leading me to assume you were just being lazy. Now that we have cleared that up I can see how that might be a problem.
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