Im so sick and tired of greedy artists trying to halt AI Art

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

AI Art is the ultimate equalizer in the sense that it allows anyone to put in a description of what they want and then they get that, or something near enough.

It's fantastic for users. It gets rid of needing to commission every little thing saving $$ for the average bob. Not everyone is made of money to be paying artists tons of money for a picture that might take days to make when you can just roll the generator a few times and get something of equal if not better quality than the artist themselves.

The "compromise" argument is also hilarious. Anyone who pays an artist OR uses a generator is compromising because they're relying on a third party to make their vision.

AI Art Good. Greedy Artist bad. :)

[Tesseract]

i hold a similar feeling about it all.

i spent a solid year with ai tools of all kinds and cannot see myself going without. these tools only add to the creative endeavor. amplification, i say.

that they may also supplant is neither here nor there.

[crunchyfrog]

Origineel geplaatst door Tesseract:

i hold a similar feeling about it all.

i spent a solid year with ai tools of all kinds and cannot see myself going without. these tools only add to the creative endeavor. amplification, i say.

that they may also supplant is neither here nor there.

Then that demonstrates you don't understand how it works.

They supplant it and IT NO LONGER WORKS. What part of dilution don't you get?

[Tesseract]

Origineel geplaatst door crunchyfrog:

Origineel geplaatst door Tesseract:

i hold a similar feeling about it all.

i spent a solid year with ai tools of all kinds and cannot see myself going without. these tools only add to the creative endeavor. amplification, i say.

that they may also supplant is neither here nor there.

Then that demonstrates you don't understand how it works.

They supplant it and IT NO LONGER WORKS. What part of dilution don't you get?

oh i understand plenty how it works, having read most of the white papers of this stuff

i don't see dilution being a problem unless mankind ceases to create

for my selfish purposes there's already enough of a corpus (let's say) to generate the kinds of things i need for a lifetime

[crunchyfrog]

Origineel geplaatst door Tesseract:

Origineel geplaatst door crunchyfrog:

Then that demonstrates you don't understand how it works.

They supplant it and IT NO LONGER WORKS. What part of dilution don't you get?

oh i understand plenty how it works, having read most of the white papers of this stuff

i don't see dilution being a problem unless mankind ceases to create

for my selfish purposes there's already enough of a corpus (let's say) to generate the kinds of things i need for a lifetime

Then you still don't understand how it works.

Even the creators of AI have warned about it, as have those two who received the Nobel Prize a couple of weeks ago. Dilution works FAR FASTER than human creation. How can you not see that as it's patently obvious?

There's also the other problems like giraffing. Never mind the fact that AI is only useful for certan very niche jobs. Art isnt one of them.

You also get the issue what I've said about before - you CANNOT copyrioght non-human creations so this also creates another wrinkle meaning businesses ain't likely to go with this in future either.

[Tesseract]

Origineel geplaatst door crunchyfrog:

Origineel geplaatst door Tesseract:

oh i understand plenty how it works, having read most of the white papers of this stuff

i don't see dilution being a problem unless mankind ceases to create

for my selfish purposes there's already enough of a corpus (let's say) to generate the kinds of things i need for a lifetime

Then you still don't understand how it works.

Even the creators of AI have warned about it, as have those two who received the Nobel Prize a couple of weeks ago. Dilution works FAR FASTER than human creation. How can you not see that as it's patently obvious?

i guess i'm just not worried about the inevitable brick wall. i'm not saying you are wrong about dilution by the way, only that for my purposes with the timeline of advances i see in various sciences (to say nothing of the arts) that there's plenty more room in the barrel

*edit* the legal side is a shame. i should think information wants to and shall be free. jailbroken ai will persist alongside the development of legally guarded ai

[Tito Shivan]

Origineel geplaatst door crunchyfrog:

Have you not experienced how much worse Google has got for searches over the last couple of years?

I have to add "Before:2020" to every search I want to find images of just to get rid of the thousands of same-ish AI generated images.

[crunchyfrog]

Origineel geplaatst door Tito Shivan:

Origineel geplaatst door crunchyfrog:

Have you not experienced how much worse Google has got for searches over the last couple of years?

I have to add "Before:2020" to every search I want to find images of just to get rid of the thousands of same-ish AI generated images.

Yup, luckily I don't very often search for art so I can only assume how bad it is.

I've seen how bad certain things like searches have become or how data has already been poisoned by AI.

I've said many times about one thing I tried for a laugh.

Playing music, instead of looking up either my notes or chord books, I usually google chords and tabs (I've got my laptop by my bed so it's easy).

Anyone can try this simple exercise - ask ChatGPT to give you chords or tabs for ANY song of your choice. It'll do so.

Now try to play it. And laugh as it's not even remotely accurate. You can even tell it "this isn't correct" and try again and it will NEVER get it right.

So here's the thing - what use is AI to provide answers when you cannot rely on whether it's accurate? It serves no purpose if you then have to check THAT out.

[crunchyfrog]

Origineel geplaatst door St✩rlight:

He's like a broken record, maybe if he says it enough he might find someone who cares and then somehow that means he gets his own way.

Then by all means prove me wrong. That's how evidence works.

I've explained in detail the problems and pointed you to where you can find the evidence.

So where's your evidence I'm wrong.

[crunchyfrog]

Origineel geplaatst door St✩rlight:

Don't just prove it DEMONSTRATE it.

I have.

I gave you a clear explanation earlier as to what diluting was and what giraffing was. I explained and then gave you the sources of the evidence - those who created it including those who recently received the Nobel Prize for the creation of AI.

That IS evidence.

So if you claim I'm wrong, you've got to prove this is wrong and it isn't as I pointed out.

Thjat's how burden of proof ACTUALLY work. You can't twist it like you just tried because I HAVE shown you evidence.

[Michanicks]

Origineel geplaatst door Tito Shivan:

Origineel geplaatst door crunchyfrog:

Have you not experienced how much worse Google has got for searches over the last couple of years?

I have to add "Before:2020" to every search I want to find images of just to get rid of the thousands of same-ish AI generated images.

Before:2023 does it for me, and that's 3 more years of decent results.

[Tito Shivan]

Origineel geplaatst door crunchyfrog:

Anyone can try this simple exercise - ask ChatGPT to give you chords or tabs for ANY song of your choice. It'll do so.

Now try to play it. And laugh as it's not even remotely accurate. You can even tell it "this isn't correct" and try again and it will NEVER get it right.

One thing people need to realise about LLM is they're at their core just parrots.

They're machines built to give you the median words that should be the reply to a sentence according to their model data. It has no knowledge of the words you wrote to it. It's just a convoluted machine of 'user has written these words, what's the words mostly used to reply to these words? and output them in the screen to you.

While this is a fenomenal solution to some problems (Do you need a help bot for your business site where the questions and answers are usually constrained and common? A LLM may be your solution) It's not so great for others.

That's when you get a LLM telling you should add some glue to your pizza if your cheese falls off. Because the LLM doesn't know that the most liked response to that question was a Reddit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ where people were pulling the leg of each others, but it knows people liked that answer a lot SO IT SHOULD BE RIGHT.

Or the real danger AI written books pose for foragers looking for mushrooms (All mushrooms are edible...at least once)

The biggest error we can make about AI is to believe it THINKS and KNOWS.

Origineel geplaatst door Michanicks:

Before:2023 does it for me, and that's 3 more years of decent results.

Thanks, I'll try next time I have to search for something

[sleeps]

but muh hearts and souls?! le killed?!

jokes aside, i always ask people that complain about it "can you?" https://youtu.be/KfAHbm7G2R0?feature=shared

also, is it me or artists of all kind (or just those of high budget) tend to have some sort of superiority complex for some reasons? like apparently, making your arts overly nihilistic and anti-war and anti capitalist (?) makes your arts "real" even if it's the same?

[The nameless Gamer]

Origineel geplaatst door sleeps:

but muh hearts and souls?! le killed?!

jokes aside, i always ask people that complain about it "can you?" https://youtu.be/KfAHbm7G2R0?feature=shared

also, is it me or artists of all kind (or just those of high budget) tend to have some sort of superiority complex for some reasons? like apparently, making your arts overly nihilistic and anti-war and anti capitalist (?) makes your arts "real" even if it's the same?

And that's exactly where the true value of art lies. Not only is it a personal expression, it's a result of talent and hard work. Not many people can create art. And art can most certainly not be made by something without a personality, like AI.

[The nameless Gamer]

Origineel geplaatst door St✩rlight:

Origineel geplaatst door The nameless Commander:

And that's exactly where the true value of art lies. Not only is it a personal expression, it's a result of talent and hard work. Not many people can create art. And art can most certainly not be made by something without a personality, like AI.

I'm sure an AI can tape a banana to a wall if it has robotic arms.

That's not art though. No matter what people try to pass as modern "art", unless it carries a message or doesn't make an impression, it's not art.

[The nameless Gamer]

Origineel geplaatst door St✩rlight:

Origineel geplaatst door The nameless Commander:

That's not art though. No matter what people try to pass as modern "art", unless it carries a message or doesn't make an impression, it's not art.

I guess what can be considered art is subjective and we all have our own opinions about that.

What about taping a banana to a wall or exhibiting a urinal and labeling it "fountain" is making a personal statement or making an impression? It's hardly something one can compare to the work of Franzisco Goya or Salvador Dali. And that's just paintings. I may not be a huge fan of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, but nobody can deny the high artistic value of his poems, theater plays and novels.