Im so sick and tired of greedy artists trying to halt AI Art

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

AI Art is the ultimate equalizer in the sense that it allows anyone to put in a description of what they want and then they get that, or something near enough.

It's fantastic for users. It gets rid of needing to commission every little thing saving $$ for the average bob. Not everyone is made of money to be paying artists tons of money for a picture that might take days to make when you can just roll the generator a few times and get something of equal if not better quality than the artist themselves.

The "compromise" argument is also hilarious. Anyone who pays an artist OR uses a generator is compromising because they're relying on a third party to make their vision.

AI Art Good. Greedy Artist bad. :)

[Michanicks]

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Can you blame us? You:
1) Don't know what being an artist is;
2) Don't know about process of drawing and especially the difference between the mediums but still arguing about this theme comparing it to prompting for AI;
3) Implying that writing words in Google Search and in some cases sharing references to executor is enough to make person an artist.

Everything checks out, you talk like a regular AI advocate, therefore the confusion.

Those things are not true. You still don't understand the different levels you and me are operating on. Even though I already tried to explain it. You keep interpreting my words in YOUR way and drawing your (incorrect) conclusions. So yes, I can blame you.

So far you was showing how you are actually clueless about the theme of art, artists and painting in particular, otherwise there would be not so much misunderstanding about every single minor thing we talked about. How's that not true? Where are the examples of you actually understanding the artists?

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This conclusion is simply based on your own words from before. If the 3D printing artist has 100% of artistic merit, it means there is 0% left for the manual sculpting. Because he does not do that and still has 100%.

Wha? Why in the honest world you would connect a zero-sum game logic to people creating 3D artworks in different mediums, how's THAT logically? Why artists of different mediums even competing for perentage when i was only saying that these people are actually creating art compared to people who only write prompts and upload references? If one 3D-sculptor holds nearly 100% merits for their works, why can't hand sculptorshold merits for his own work, why should he tugging these percentes from someone'e else? What's even 3D-prtinting artist do in your opinion?

And after that you saying i wasn't right about you not understanding the artists?

[crunchyfrog]

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I don't personally fear AI too much as it's a tool like any other.

Sure it's going to have issues like this very one where it will take certain jobs away, and there MUST Be regulation especially as it shouldn't be allowed to do that while using the artists own data against them.

But AI is a good feature when used to shortcut certain jobs.

I've been having a lot of good use with it to demix songs and fix things I thought I'd never be able to. That's a great thing. There's so many Beatles songs or old 70s songs, or even recordings of my own where we did things on a budget and it has issues.

I can now correct them.

But that's not to say dishonest greedy companies will exploit the ♥♥♥♥ out of it. They likely won't understnad it and think it will solve things it can't and mess things up, but let them.

But there must be regulation. I know a lot of US people hate the idea of regulation, but it works.

I fully agree on that , there are use for A.I but peoples are underestimating it's potential to become a nuisance rather then a genuine solutions.

maybe the normal everyday users will just get to have fun with it , use it the way it was meant and as a tool but faceless corporations that have billions of dollars in the bank will just use it to abuse it any way they can.

even with ordinary chores , if A.I take away too many jobs it's gonna be a problem and it's gonna disrupt the economy in a very damaging way , what are we gonna do once the robot do everything from delivering your amazon orders , making your meals , clothes and pretty much also everything else that peoples need to live comfortably.

are we just gonna put everyone on a universal basic income and tell them to just get used to be a bunch of couch potato ?

That kind of slippery slope isn't going to happen. As they said the same with computers and it didn't happen.

NOBODY ended up en amsse as couch potatos with a stark lack of jobs. Some jobs went away others were created. My first job after school was in a computer department - that wouldn't have existed without their advent.

reality don't wokr to those degrees.

What you'll likely find is that as you say, casual hom users will have fun with various bits, and I'm quite sure you'll get new artists become famous. After sampling became a thing in music, we saw people bugger around with it, some good and some bad. And then we had absolutel legends like Liam Howlett of the Prodigy become artists who embraced it and used it as a new form of making music.

You will also get ♥♥♥♥ companies especially those massive greedy companies that rty to shortcut EVERYTHING. But the thing is, as we see with gaming alone, that doesn't often bear out, as people quickly see how ♥♥♥♥♥ and banal such endeavours are.

So I seriously doubt that hellscape will happen simply because reality don't work like that.

Again though, many countries will get regulation sorted. The EU have been making moves to get on top of it recently.

[rigomrtsfx2001]

i started doing 3d artwork in the 1980s and you modeled everything and when from one 3d program to the next and textures and so much more and from ideas to drawing to the 3d modeling you did it all , but today with AI art many think that they are doing 3d artwork when they are not and the pc is reading it all for them .....

its a lazy way and AI art is really a part from this and that and it has a hard time doing hands
all at most AI art it does not all ways look good , they didnt make it at all , many love the AI art

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

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So far you was showing how you are actually clueless about the theme of art, artists and painting in particular, otherwise there would be not so much misunderstanding about every single minor thing we talked about. How's that not true? Where are the examples of you actually understanding the artists?

I'm thinking you are not a very logical person. This logic above? Doesn't make sense. You are implying that "me being clueless about art" is the ONLY possible reason for any misunderstandings. That's completely random.

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So far you was showiest world you would connect a zero-sum game logic to people creating 3D artworks in different mediums, how's THAT logically? Why artists of different mediums even competing for perentage when i was only saying that these people are actually creating art compared to people who only write prompts and upload references? If one 3D-sculptor holds nearly 100% merits for their works, why can't hand sculptorshold merits for his own work, why should he tugging these percentes from someone'e else? What's even 3D-prtinting artist do in your opinion?

And after that you saying i wasn't right about you not understanding the artists?

And this is another wildly strange interpretation of what I said. I didn't think it was that hard to understand, but it just does not compute for you for some reason.

[Ulfrinn]

Has anyone even done AI art? It's really not as easy as typing a line or two and getting what you want. There are errors, it takes several attempts to get a basis for what you want, then you have to do inpainting to make corrections, edit out parts you want, set up prompts to replace those with things you want, to eventually compile the scene that you envision. AI art is just a tool, nothing more. It's just a more technical path to reach a goal but it still takes thought and effort by the person doing it.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

Most artists that exist in the world today are not greedy either , they're actually working in sweatshop like environments while making the various anime , cartoon shows and video games that a lot's of you are watching or playing.

[Lokaror]

Frankly i'm mostly against ai art (as it is at the moment) for three reasons

1. The data scraping. We can call this stealing, we can call this machine learning, we can call this fair game because its on the internet. Morally, i'm against peoples work being used in any kind of process without their consent or knowledge in this sort of way. Obviously there are exceptions to this but with "AI" (not ai, btw this is at best machine learning tools)

2. It looks ugly and often disconcerting. As someone who has dealt with seeing things that aren't there, the uncanny valley, extra fingers, the sameness of all of it, hair that meshes into clothes that mesh into skin that mesh into background... yuck. But thats personal. Obviously.

3. "AI" art advocates. I'll admit what im about to say is unfair. But it's true, for me. I see so many AI art advocates who are by and large people without a creative bone in their body who now see AI art as the great eqaulizer because they personally cannot or will not take the time how to draw and smugly say ♥♥♥♥ like "Learn to code" Are these people a good majority or even a minority of people who use AI? No. But they sure as hell make it very frustrating to people like me, who like art, who like the process of art whatever it may be and seeing these people who if you go by what they say they seem to run on just as much code as the databases they work on.

All of this said, AI could be a wonderful tool but right now the whole space seems to be filled with bad actors, bad product and increasing volatility for artists economically while the worlds economy seems to get worse and worse. I do hope that as time goes on it can even out and become a net positive. I just don't see that happening.

[Daenoxiis]

"Yes, let's feed the highly advanced machine art and expect it not to ever develop its own sentience," said nobody that actually understands art, ever.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

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"Yes, let's feed the highly advanced machine art and expect it not to ever develop its own sentience," said nobody that actually understands art, ever.

A.I reach sentience.

A.I : humans are terrible, they keep asking stuffs all the time and never say thank you.

A.I commit sudoku and end it's own existence.

[Stellar Remnant]

The problem with AI art is that the AI doesn't understand what a human or a horse or a car actually is. It just knows what pixels should go near other pixels for a rough equivalent.

The AI should really be trained with 'painting' 3d models, or something.

[Michanicks]

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The problem with AI art is that the AI doesn't understand what a human or a horse or a car actually is. It just knows what pixels should go near other pixels for a rough equivalent.

The AI should really be trained with 'painting' 3d models, or something.

Yes, i agree so much. And AI advocates who never ever seriously tried to put effort in learning to draw trying to convince us that AI is learning "just like a human does because humans also studying real life and other people's artwork". They like seeing the action and missing the very point.

[crunchyfrog]

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The problem with AI art is that the AI doesn't understand what a human or a horse or a car actually is. It just knows what pixels should go near other pixels for a rough equivalent.

The AI should really be trained with 'painting' 3d models, or something.

The thing to remember is that it's at the worst it'll ever be. It will only improve over the years and with it the removal of such problems.

So they're only a short term problem, most likely.

And again this is why regulation and getting on top of such things is vital.

[Γαῖα]

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We were told by experts that technology would free us up so as to do things like enter the world of art and entertainment.
Like a great many things now days, AI wont be stopping at art and will consume all that humans do and are.
People who rely on a living are already being pushed aside by technology in the real world and now it appears online to. How long before a clever AI up stages those that make a living on social media with better content, better wit. How long before AI populates the likes of only fans, sells more on the likes of vinted, makes more money with cypto currency or makes better games.

The praise it earns is not only by those that own it but those that lack talent in a particular field who can now do something once impossible.
Some will argue its inclusivity yet its rather the death knoll of individuality and the merits that come with it.

I don't personally fear AI too much as it's a tool like any other.

Sure it's going to have issues like this very one where it will take certain jobs away, and there MUST Be regulation especially as it shouldn't be allowed to do that while using the artists own data against them.

But AI is a good feature when used to shortcut certain jobs.

I've been having a lot of good use with it to demix songs and fix things I thought I'd never be able to. That's a great thing. There's so many Beatles songs or old 70s songs, or even recordings of my own where we did things on a budget and it has issues.

I can now correct them.

But that's not to say dishonest greedy companies will exploit the ♥♥♥♥ out of it. They likely won't understnad it and think it will solve things it can't and mess things up, but let them.

But there must be regulation. I know a lot of US people hate the idea of regulation, but it works.

AI is about experiencing, learning and building on that. Sure it will stumble like a child in the beginning and require human interaction but it will grow and it will improve. Robotics is coming on really well too. Spacial awareness and dexterity have come along in leaps and bounds. Its only a matter of time if it isn't already happening before the two are merged.
Again there will be bumps but nothing that cant be sorted out. Its also worth recognising its more than just a drill or even PC for that matter as its essentially an operator of machinery like computers and software for example.

As for regulation, currently its not making that size of splash and sadly just like the government and computers let alone internet, will be too late in acting. All people see is you give it a task and it carries it out just like a human would and that includes having to rework drafts and correct mistakes.

Its not a case of if, its just a case of when.

[Tito Shivan]

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AI is about experiencing, learning and building on that.

AI isn't much more than a very effective parrot or a copying machine... Also the latest technological bubble.

[peacockdesigns2010]

"Greedy Artist" oh you mean the Artists that are trying to pay their rent, put gas in their car, feed their family and pay off their college loans? those "Greedy Artists"?